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On August 01 2013 04:36 hzflank wrote:
Clarity, you here? Want to bounce some stuff back and forth? I see two sides forming, one is scum and the other is town. I am just not sure which is which.
I'm keeping up with the thread but am doing fun stuffs with peoples on the internet so don't expect me to filterdive deeply or anything anytime soon. I can bounce thoughts though, whatsup?
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On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest!
You're implying a scum rayn knew there was no doc?
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On August 01 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! You're implying a scum rayn knew there was no doc?
its not like he can force the doctor to be on vivax. I'm not good at making cases but he scum. doesn't really matter right now tho
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@JAT
Most of my case on you is the scum slip you made. There are a few more posts that I didn't like, but ultimately it all hinges on the scum slip. If people aren't willing to accept the premise that it was indeed a scum slip, then my case is essentially useless. I was pretty burned out after I made the case on rayn so I'm procrastinating on yours. I was hoping people would be more eager to lynch rayn because of my case. Unfortunately, this town has gone full-retard while I was sleeping.
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On August 01 2013 04:47 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! You're implying a scum rayn knew there was no doc? its not like he can force the doctor to be on vivax. I'm not good at making cases but he scum. doesn't really matter right now tho '
Yeah but, if he wanted Vivax dead why scream in thread "DOC VIVAX HES IMPORTANT"
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So the "scumslip" is your only reason? Then it wouldn't be to much of a task to explain why exactly you think it is a scum slip in the first place like you promised before, is it?
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On August 01 2013 04:49 justanothertownie wrote:
So the "scumslip" is your only reason? Then it wouldn't be to much of a task to explain why exactly you think it is a scum slip in the first place like you promised before, is it?
I already do that numerous times. Try reading my filter. You even admitted that you made a mistake.
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SINCE WHEN IS MAKING A MISTAKE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE?!?!
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On August 01 2013 04:51 justanothertownie wrote:
SINCE WHEN IS MAKING A MISTAKE ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE?!?!
Your mistake is a scum slip because you were deliberately calling yourself town for the same behavior that your strongest scum reads were doing. Town doesn't make that kind of mistake, only scum does.
I realize that you don't enjoy being caught, but there's no need to raise your voice.
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Why would town not make that mistake? Do you even have any reason for this?
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On August 01 2013 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:36 hzflank wrote:
Clarity, you here? Want to bounce some stuff back and forth? I see two sides forming, one is scum and the other is town. I am just not sure which is which. I'm keeping up with the thread but am doing fun stuffs with peoples on the internet so don't expect me to filterdive deeply or anything anytime soon. I can bounce thoughts though, whatsup?
Scum teams: Rayn/Stutters and probably Exar
Or
Cora/FT and probably Koshi
I wont bother trying to name the fourth member.
Stutters makes the 'scumslip' about a Janitor. I have personally seen such scumslips be real, but also I have seen them be false and used my scum to attack town for making a shitty scumslip.
Cora attacks Stutters for the scumslip. So I build on it with a joke scum-slip attack on Stutters. Stutters makes a response that might actually be a real scumslip. I am no psychiatrist, but I would think that if you think that someone is scum then you do not assume them town when you make a snap (instant) assumption.
That's not enough to know that Stutters is scum, so I need to prod. Exar begins to make shit posts. Rayn completely flips out in the thread. Note the previous interactions between Rayn and Stutters. When I called Stutters out N1 for his filter Rayn said that Stutters plays like this when he is scum. But Rayn never pressed Stutters on it and later got a solid town read on Stutters. Not long after that Rayn had Stutters as the possible fourth man in his most likely scum team. I propose that Rayn's recent flip out in the thread may have been designed to make things messy and stop people from talking about Stutters.
So I remind people of what Stutters posted. It gets a little attention but not much. Then Cora attacks Stutters again for the role scumslip.
Stutters has Cora as scum anyway so that should of set alarm bells off for a town-Cora. Rayn had Stutters as town and Cora as scum so Rayn should have been as happy to lynch Cora as FT after that. Then Stutters tells me that I should just forget it and vote FT.
Also consider that Rayn has Exar as town. I wont name everyones reads in this post as if I try it off the top of my head I will likely make mistakes.
Anyway, based on all of that, do you see the two sides formed? At least partially?
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The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic?
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On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic?
Unless you think he's bussing his entire team at this point, not really.
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On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest!
Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me.
If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity.
If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them.
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On August 01 2013 05:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? Unless you think he's bussing his entire team at this point, not really.
Well his theory hinges on the scumteam NOT bussing anyone. I don't think any scum team would be that stupid.
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if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game.
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On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic?
So you problem is that i think the other team is more likely to be scum than your team? Do you think that you are more scummy than Rayn then?
Also, my vote is subject to change.
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On August 01 2013 04:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 01 2013 04:36 hzflank wrote:
Clarity, you here? Want to bounce some stuff back and forth? I see two sides forming, one is scum and the other is town. I am just not sure which is which. I'm keeping up with the thread but am doing fun stuffs with peoples on the internet so don't expect me to filterdive deeply or anything anytime soon. I can bounce thoughts though, whatsup? Scum teams: Rayn/Stutters and probably Exar Or Cora/FT and probably Koshi I wont bother trying to name the fourth member. Stutters makes the 'scumslip' about a Janitor. I have personally seen such scumslips be real, but also I have seen them be false and used my scum to attack town for making a shitty scumslip. Cora attacks Stutters for the scumslip. So I build on it with a joke scum-slip attack on Stutters. Stutters makes a response that might actually be a real scumslip. I am no psychiatrist, but I would think that if you think that someone is scum then you do not assume them town when you make a snap (instant) assumption. That's not enough to know that Stutters is scum, so I need to prod. Exar begins to make shit posts. Rayn completely flips out in the thread. Note the previous interactions between Rayn and Stutters. When I called Stutters out N1 for his filter Rayn said that Stutters plays like this when he is scum. But Rayn never pressed Stutters on it and later got a solid town read on Stutters. Not long after that Rayn had Stutters as the possible fourth man in his most likely scum team. I propose that Rayn's recent flip out in the thread may have been designed to make things messy and stop people from talking about Stutters. So I remind people of what Stutters posted. It gets a little attention but not much. Then Cora attacks Stutters again for the role scumslip. Stutters has Cora as scum anyway so that should of set alarm bells off for a town-Cora. Rayn had Stutters as town and Cora as scum so Rayn should have been as happy to lynch Cora as FT after that. Then Stutters tells me that I should just forget it and vote FT. Also consider that Rayn has Exar as town. I wont name everyones reads in this post as if I try it off the top of my head I will likely make mistakes. Anyway, based on all of that, do you see the two sides formed? At least partially?
If I tilt my head and squint.
I can't read Koshi anymore. Yes he's been trying a bit now but that could just be his scumteam going: "wtf dude stop trolling you're screwing us over"
It could also him being town realizing how useless he was being.
If I had to pick one of those two groups (I'm not saying these are the actual possibilities) then I would go with rayn/stutters/xrz, my problem with this is stutters his response to vayne's fakeclaim is extremely town. So this only works if vayne is scum.
I find it dificult to see Koshi and CJS on the same scumteam although that's just feeling I don't have anything to back it up atm.
On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game.
Because this isn't some guy who can play well but has been under pressure for so long that he just goes "FUCK IT IM BAD VOTE MAHSELF", it's malongo.
Plus he might be modkilled or replaced tonight.
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On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game.
See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful!
This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet.
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On August 01 2013 05:03 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? Unless you think he's bussing his entire team at this point, not really. Well his theory hinges on the scumteam NOT bussing anyone. I don't think any scum team would be that stupid.
My point is hz using this theory and putting himself on one of the scumteams is silly, and from his perspective his theory makes sense, regardless of if you can shoehorn him into one of the two "sides" or not.
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