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On August 01 2013 05:03 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me. If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity. If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them.
How would that work? I don't get it.
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On August 01 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? So you problem is that i think the other team is more likely to be scum than your team? Do you think that you are more scummy than Rayn then? Also, my vote is subject to change.
If you have to lynch me to see what the scum team is, then so be it. I was saying that you are on my "team" right now, so if you were to think the scum team was Cora/me/Koshi, then you would have to add yourself to that list by your own logic.
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On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet.
The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left.
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On August 01 2013 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:03 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me. If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity. If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them. How would that work? I don't get it.
I am not sure. When I played scum sometimes I was talk about blue roles and look for how people responded. I always took notice to everything said about roles in an attempt to figure out the blues. Once I got a shortlist of possible blues, I went well if this guy is that role then he will probably target player X, etc.
It's all assumptions but I think it is better to attempt to blue hunt (as scum) and to just rng your roleblock.
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##unvote
##vote: Stutters
I am town. I think FT is town. I am starting to love hz.
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To be clear, hz is in town territory to me. I just don't really agree with his analysis.
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On August 01 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote:
The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? So you problem is that i think the other team is more likely to be scum than your team? Do you think that you are more scummy than Rayn then? Also, my vote is subject to change. If you have to lynch me to see what the scum team is, then so be it. I was saying that you are on my "team" right now, so if you were to think the scum team was Cora/me/Koshi, then you would have to add yourself to that list by your own logic.
No because in my mind I am town.
I don;t mean to coach you FT, but sometimes you really need to try to pretend that you are someone else and look at the game from their point of view.
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For some reason I thought it was the first half of the day, dunno why. Rayn flipping out makes a bit more sense now. Gonna finish up what I'm doing and go into thinktank mode.
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On August 01 2013 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet. The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left.
Fair enough. But if Rayn is scum do you honestly think the chance of Stutters being town is high?
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On August 01 2013 05:12 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
here's something to think about hz
If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is)
He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time.
Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger
that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me. If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity. If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them. How would that work? I don't get it. I am not sure. When I played scum sometimes I was talk about blue roles and look for how people responded. I always took notice to everything said about roles in an attempt to figure out the blues. Once I got a shortlist of possible blues, I went well if this guy is that role then he will probably target player X, etc. It's all assumptions but I think it is better to attempt to blue hunt (as scum) and to just rng your roleblock.
Ah, ok. Thought you might have definite reasoning I can't see. But you know how very wrong you were as scum trying to predict blue roles.
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On August 01 2013 05:15 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet. The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left. Fair enough. But if Rayn is scum do you honestly think the chance of Stutters being town is high?
It's not alignment indicative. If rayn actually is scum he does this shit all the time and associates himself heavily with town players since he knows his time as scum is usually shortlived since his play is pretty obvious and he dies early a lot. If rayn actually does flip scum I would not say stutters is necessarily scum, especially given the meta case I presented.
It's much more likely that rayn is pointing fingers at some one on his team but not actually voting for them.
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On August 01 2013 05:17 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:15 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 05:07 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot.
Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. See, now that I have attempted to proxy-Vig you by directing the next NK at you, you are now being useful! This is my third game, I have played 1 before as town. We came back to win from a 4-3 LYLO and I was in the position where I had to make the final decision. We had a player a bit like Malongo in the game and he was town. By the time the LYLO came I managed to get him on side, he sheeped my vote and we won the game. If Malongo is town then do not give up on him yet. The thing is, rayn is now actively directing lynches away from both malongo and JAT, two people that have a pretty high chance to flip scum, which is why I don't know why people are just giving malongo a free pass because of some martyr post. That's one less vote we have now. Id rather lose to good scum play then dumb martyring anyway, so if it gets to endgame and malongo is alive and scum I would be pretty annoyed with whoever is town left. Fair enough. But if Rayn is scum do you honestly think the chance of Stutters being town is high? It's not alignment indicative. If rayn actually is scum he does this shit all the time and associates himself heavily with town players since he knows his time as scum is usually shortlived since his play is pretty obvious and he dies early a lot. If rayn actually does flip scum I would not say stutters is necessarily scum, especially given the meta case I presented. It's much more likely that rayn is pointing fingers at some one on his team but not actually voting for them.
But by that reasoning if Rayn is scum then JAt or Mal are just as likely to be town as anyone.
Also, I soft defended JAT on day 1 and I have hard defended Mal all game.
Lastly, tbh I would rather lose to a martyring Mal than to a trolling and lying Vayne! 
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One more thing Vayne: Do you think that Koshi is town?
If so, Koshi was so scared of my potential scum play that it seriously affected the game. I think that you may be a bit scared of Rayn's potential scum play, so do not let it affect your game.
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On August 01 2013 05:13 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Stutters
I am town. I think FT is town. I am starting to love hz.
If you're town then help us lynch the scummiest scum in the history of TL mafia instead of throwing your vote on me when I'm not getting lynched.
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Doubtful as JAT and malongo aren't really in any danger to be lynched at this point.
With your vet claim, I just chalk that up to you defending incorrectly. wrong does not mean scum
and yes I think koshi is town.
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You guys deserve to lose if you mislynch today and it's not a malango mislynch today. You have to be like 100% you've found a scum to vote for than to not vote for malango. Not only is there a very good chance malango is scum, the guy has done things which are just inexcusable. I'd rather we take a mislynch today than not vote for malango. I'm not moving off malango.
I'm kind of done arguing this point.
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err should be rather we have nolynch than not vote for malango*
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fuck man I don't want to lynch malongo
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if malongo is town the game is ruined anyway so might as well get it out of the way.
It would be just like NWM where we got fucked over by gumshoe, and so I didn't really care that we lost since we had trolls anyway. That's how I feel about this game.
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