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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 31 2013 18:29 GMT
#2281
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

I don´t fucking care because we are going to lose this game anyways.
People who are actually really scummy are FT, Cora, Oats and Koshi but everyone but Stutters is refusing to even look at what´s been said about them. I can´t convince people about anything because people are not even willing to understand anything. Like it took a fucking 30 hours for people to understand what i said about vayne/Clarity/hzflank. As simple things like this take this long there is no hope for the town.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 18:29 GMT
#2282
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
July 31 2013 18:34 GMT
#2283
Why is Malongo town, Rayn? I don't really understand how you can look at his filter and call it town.
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
July 31 2013 18:35 GMT
#2284
On August 01 2013 03:34 cDgCorazon wrote:
Why is Malongo town, Rayn? I don't really understand how you can look at his filter and call it town.

Filter. Again.
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 31 2013 18:36 GMT
#2285
Now rayn is just OMGUSing me to look town. Why are we not lynching this scum?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 18:37 GMT
#2286
hz.

1) I agree that rayn has been very consistent with his voting.
2) Stutters jumping to all the places can be seen in day 1 as well when he says something different about FT each second. I made a case.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 18:38 GMT
#2287
Would people please stop trying to push whatever their personal agenda is and take 30 seconds to look at the point I just made against Stutters. I am hesitant to believe in a scum-slip, but how can someone believe that Mal is both town and scum at the same time?

It seems like the point is just being swept under a rug.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 31 2013 18:41 GMT
#2288
I'm perfectly willing to lynch rayn/JAT/Stutters as I think all of them are scum. I agree with you on stutters, hzflank.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 31 2013 18:43 GMT
#2289
if you guys think rayn/stutters are scum then why do you not think malongo is scum? It would be easy for them to just jump on some one that's giving up but instead they are fighting the lynch.
I come in for the scraps
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 31 2013 18:43 GMT
#2290
On August 01 2013 03:19 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:12 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:55 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Assumption. I plan for the worst, and a successful janitor kill practically ends us if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO.


How do you know that Mal and Oats are town? :p

Oats feels town, I don't want to lynch him. Unfortunately this is how he plays town. If Mal is somehow town also we're royally fucked.


I was joking when I asked that as I did not really think it could be a scum-slip. Now I am seriously concerned though.

Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote:
if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO.


Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:12 Stutters695 wrote:
If Mal is somehow town


The first time you implied: I feel like Mal is town

The second time you implied: I feel like Mal is scum

Any third parties have thoughts on this?

You're not thinking about it in context. The first quote is still part of my assumption, not my thoughts.

Second part is my thoughts, but take those with a grain of salt. I'm holding back on pushing him hardcore because he made some really retarded decisions in the first game I played with him so I'm more hesitant to do the same this game. I don't see the martyring as a scum tell with him because of that. He is a policy lynch given the circumstances who I'd say is probably like a 60/40.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:43 GMT
#2291
On August 01 2013 03:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it.


My case is he's fucking self-voting (not allowed by rules). He's either fail town for ruining the game and should get a ban or something or he's scum that doesn't want to out any of his scumbuddies by posting further.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 31 2013 18:44 GMT
#2292
@hz

I think this post
On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Assumption. I plan for the worst, and a successful janitor kill practically ends us if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO.


In context, rearranged: We are screwed if Mal and Oats are alive in LYLO

He's implying scum in both
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:44 GMT
#2293
On August 01 2013 03:41 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm perfectly willing to lynch rayn/JAT/Stutters as I think all of them are scum. I agree with you on stutters, hzflank.


what the fuck. are we reading the same game.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:45 GMT
#2294
On August 01 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it.


My case is he's fucking self-voting (not allowed by rules). He's either fail town for ruining the game and should get a ban or something or he's scum that doesn't want to out any of his scumbuddies by posting further.


same freaking reasoning why i was voting you earlier.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 18:47 GMT
#2295
On August 01 2013 03:45 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it.


My case is he's fucking self-voting (not allowed by rules). He's either fail town for ruining the game and should get a ban or something or he's scum that doesn't want to out any of his scumbuddies by posting further.


same freaking reasoning why i was voting you earlier.

But Malongo has been a scumtarget off you since forever? What was the reason before that?
I had a good night of sleep.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:48 GMT
#2296
On August 01 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 03:45 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote:
On August 01 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:33 hzflank wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Everyone here right now
What do you guys think of a rayn lynch?


Something for you to think about. I touched on this in my recent post about Clarity. This is something everyone should of already thought of, but it would have been bad for me to post about this early day 2 as I wanted to wait and see reactions.

Rayn thinks that Vayne, Clarity and I are absolutely confirmed town. If the 4 of us are in fact town then scum would know this. Scum cannot leave that situation as it is. Rayn and I also have Stutters as town, which if true makes the situation even worse for scum.

Therefore, if Rayn is town he should have been looking unfavourably on people who were trying to make the supposedly confirmed town people distrust each other. This does not mean that the 5 people mentioned here are in fact all town. It means that Rayn is so sure that the other 4 are town that he cannot help but think that people who are messing with that are scummy (this might not even be conscious thought).

So if you want to get a better read on Rayn then I suggest you ask yourself: is he playing as town-Rayn should considering that he has 4 solid town reads?

Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought.

Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently.

Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked!

YOU HAVE NOT!

##Unvote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum???

Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently.

Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead!


can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it.

Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it.


My case is he's fucking self-voting (not allowed by rules). He's either fail town for ruining the game and should get a ban or something or he's scum that doesn't want to out any of his scumbuddies by posting further.


if by forever you mean the start of day 2 yes

same freaking reasoning why i was voting you earlier.

But Malongo has been a scumtarget off you since forever? What was the reason before that?

exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:50 GMT
#2297
If by forever, you mean since the beginning of Day 2, then yes. hold on while i go quote my posts about malongo
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 18:50 GMT
#2298
On August 01 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
@hz

I think this post
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On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Assumption. I plan for the worst, and a successful janitor kill practically ends us if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO.


In context, rearranged: We are screwed if Mal and Oats are alive in LYLO

He's implying scum in both


Absolutely not. His whole point was that Oats and Mal would not be online at deadline time so scum could just do a vote-swap last minute and town (Oats and Mal) would not be able to prevent it because two townies would not be online.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:51 GMT
#2299
On July 30 2013 23:36 exarezee wrote:
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On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:
On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have a guilty check on malongo.
awaiting his response!

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.


This is a very very strange statement to make. It looks like a forced response believing Vayne's check on him. "If there is no miller..." line looks completely made up. How does one not know what possible roles are in the game. Furthermore let's assume he truly doesn't know the possible roles, why question whether there is a miller, and then your plan of action is dependent upon there being a vig? Why don't you say, "if there a vig, kill me asap."

i'm probably going to vote malongo today just for this response. it looks egregiously bad to me.

exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 31 2013 18:53 GMT
#2300
You can look at my filter for Day 2 if you want. It's really not that long.
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