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DeusXmachina
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< If RDO is not scum, I'm cool with this | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< I concur. Want me to look into Slam? My real quick thoughts: It seems like his indecision over reps was genuine, and I still don't think a vote switch is a scummy thing to do. In addition, he voted against Gotard pretty early. On the other hand, he posts a lot of bullshit nonsensical stuff. It makes him really hard to read because that seems like his personality. Not only has he not done any if-I-die posts, but he has not really had any large analysis posts which is scummy. If you can't tell by now I could go either way on him. A lot of people seemed confident that he is town so I never really pushed it. Ill be happy to look into him though. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
Just know that my vt flip in that case would implicate You | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
Go after DeusXmachina. I don't wanna say why until night, in the event that RDO is not scum. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
so if RDO is not the final scum, I think it is you. Just to make sure we're clear on this. (right?) I think so,, we have six, probably 5-1, if rdo is scum we win or lynch nightcat, w.e if nightcat is 3p/town, it's 4-1, if a nightkill goes through, it's 3-1 and mylo. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On August 07 2013 13:49 Umasi wrote: ~the point is that if we mislynch, it's mylo slam. so if RDO is not the final scum, I think it is you. Just to make sure we're clear on this. (right?) I think so,, we have six, probably 5-1, if rdo is scum we win or lynch nightcat, w.e if nightcat is 3p/town, it's 4-1, if a nightkill goes through, it's 3-1 and mylo. ? Anyway WTH lynch nightcat. There haven't been any other double nk. If it really matters I am vt, but I get like the latter half of this in Lylo ish situations | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
Go after deus, even though | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< Wait a minute Umasi reread. This is innacurate. I did not get a free pass, I followed my gut and was off reps long before u. Then I secured the lynch, angry with town. But yes see this makes me think you are better player. You see me for who I am- not bamcis at this game by any stretch. Not a horrible as once was but definitely not as goo as say Onegu or even DeusXmachina, who is (100% new or am I wrong?) | ||
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Nightcat99
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Umasi
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
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DeusXmachina
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
I came to these counts: Defends himself: 12 times Plays newb card: 4 times Gives excuses: 3 times Sometimes they are really subtle and easy to miss. Those counts are not 100 percent accurate. It is also worth mentioning that he apologizes a ton. Here are some great examples: 1. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite): Newb card 2. My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!!: Newb card 3. just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night: defends himself 4. As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously. Newb and also kinda defense 5. As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while.: defends himself 6. That's part of it for sure...I also was busy with work, and this is my first game, so I'm just getting into it. : WOW excuse, noob, and defends himself 7. I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.: Newb 8. FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.: Excuse and preemptively defending himself. Wow maybe there was more newb cards then I thought. Also he drops the Umasi suspicion before the lynch and doesn't vote switch. Ill brb with that info. | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate. My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do Anyway, more to come This is really bizarre. He is suspicious of an Umasi/Gotard pair. Before this he made a pretty convincing case against Gotard (convincing in that it seemed genuine) declaring that he thought Gotrad was scum. Gotard votes Umasi and RDO doesn't vote switch? What!? A huge part of his suspicion of Umasi was because of his scum read on Gotard. Why would he not vote Gotard when the pair distanced themselves. | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 04 2013 23:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Umasi's done a ok job of defending himself imo, agree with you on that slam. Pressure successful. Gotard next. Would you mind cutting down on the random stuff in your posts slam? Makes it harder to go through the thread yo. You're a solid town read and its just your style, but burying the thread in fluff helps the scum anyway by diluting the useful info My reads thus far Slam- town - Stim and infii -town- I'm accepting the mason act for now, still a little suspicious of that early behavior from stim but w/e - infii seems like a lock to me, so stim by extension Zyree- mild town read off of him, but now he's stopped posting...I'll give him a little more time but thats scummy if it continues nightcat-not a lot of great posts, but he does seem to be trying to build a pro-town atmosphere. Good enough for me atm scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak. And then this. Last post before lynch. He claims he is going to move on from Umasi to Gotard but doesn't vote switch. Why would he not vote switch at this very moment? Totes scum. I think we nailed him. | ||
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DeusXmachina
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Umasi
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