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Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:27 GMT
#1113
Infii, I assume you are seeing this as defending Gotard rather then suspecting Deus/Usami.
Consider the position the game was in:
Gotard, Umasi and Scam all got votes early on. No one was seriously suspecting DeusX. Why would I go balls to the walls on him rather then try to shift the vote to an easier target?
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:31 GMT
#1120
Yes im here, watching international. Still considering if I want to switch.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:34 GMT
#1122
Currently thinking I wont switch. Lynching what I think is town + stim modkilled is game over (3 mafia + 3 town + scam will be left after mafia kills a town during night)
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:36 GMT
#1126
Caps isnt really an effective way of arguing with me Deus
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:40 GMT
#1132
I agree it seems odd he didnt press him, then again he didnt post much at all.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:43 GMT
#1134
He has not voted
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:45 GMT
#1137
Because I think you and umasi are mafia, and you wouldnt try to get him lynched then
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:45 GMT
#1138
Wee zergling
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:50 GMT
#1143
Well, I dont see a reason for me to change to Gotard.
If I switch: if he is town as I believe + stim gets modkilled game is over.
If I dont switch: 3 mafia, 4 town + scam will be left
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:53 GMT
#1149
On August 05 2013 04:48 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote:
Because I think you and umasi are mafia, and you wouldnt try to get him lynched then


Guys remember this post. Zyrre is total bullshit. I am pressing him so hard for a vote against Gotard and he won't do it. He is suspicious of me because I started to defend Umasi? He thinks Gotard is town because he thinks Umasi and I are mafia? Total bullshit. He has not good reasons and it is become increasingly apparent. He is pushing an agenda.

Your reasoning doesnt make any sense. If I believe you are mafia why would you pressuring me change that?

And yes, Gotard would logically be town if I think you and Umasi are mafia.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#1158
Voting gotard after considering the copclaim, cant think deeper right now
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 20:11 GMT
#1166
Haha, wow. So much for my suspicions.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#1168
That's fine Deus, I assumed you would if I was wrong
I urge you and everyone to focus on others as well though, not just me. Making a case for my lynch is easy.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 21:22 GMT
#1178
With a vote this close and decisive, I'm thinking the last scum must have voted VERY late(yes I know this implicates me).
With my aggressive reads and sticking out until the very last minute, it would have been so easy to agree with me and not vote gotard. UNLESS the alternative was himself (Umasi).

At the time Umasi voted gotard it was:
VOTE COUNT:
Gotard (2): infi, Alakaslam
Umasi (2): RDaneelOlivaw, Gotard
sc_a.M (1): Umasi
DeusXmachina (1): Zyrre
No lynch (1): sc_a.M

IMO seems very odd to vote on fellow mafia this early, so its probably not Umasi. Also if his strategy was to vote on scam to appear non mafia, switching to another mafia seems like a bad strategy.

So the two options I see is Nightcat and stim.
Since there is only one mafia left, I dont see how it could be stim after his and infiis mason claim. The only way it could be false is if they were 2 non-towns and 3rd partys cant communicate with mafia afaik. So its probably not stim either.

Nightcat then:

Nightcat was 7th to vote on reps:
reps)squishy (8): DeusXmachina, Holyflare, Umasi, RDaneelOlivaw, Alakaslam, Zyrre, Nightcat99, infii

These are his post talking about the mafia team:
On August 02 2013 02:19 Nightcat99 wrote:
Ya slam, i dont think jumping on sc_am is the best idea, to be honest, he probably getting mod killed.

On August 04 2013 02:15 Nightcat99 wrote:
Sc_am is completely gone, if hes not modkill i will be surprise, so i wont waste a vote on him.

On August 04 2013 12:51 Nightcat99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 11:38 Umasi wrote:
I still want scam lynched, shouldn't be able to get away with this shit :<
##UNVOTE sc.a.M.
##VOTE GOTARD



Why are you guys voting gotard???

On August 04 2013 13:51 Nightcat99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 03 2013 13:09 Alakaslam wrote:
I'll borrow from your quote and quote you.

"Specifically this line:
"Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness."
He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-"


This is FAR scummier than your behavior.

Wow. The best defense is really a good offense, always XD

Feh. Gotard defense thyself

And thistime I move rashly it's 9:00 that's past bedtime so I'm sleepy

goes and ##votes Gotard man

Umasi you may be wondering how I was like "TUNNNNNNNNN NEL TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!" And now all cool & stuff

Well you did explain yourself from a town perspective. You pointed out the possibility and likelihood of simply forgetting a past stance in the heat of the moment.

If you actually are scum, this is a great newbie scum training moment -_-, but if you are town, that is maybe a close call? But only person as voted you is RDO, so I back off until people come read an give their thoughts.



you are going to have to explain this to me, isnt this your quote, what did gotard do?

On August 04 2013 13:55 Nightcat99 wrote:
Ya i agree that vote on infil was odd too and i try to pressure him a little on it.

but i generally dont think scum wants to start a wagon but gotard try to start a wagon on infil, so i just through it was a rash decision.

On August 04 2013 13:58 Nightcat99 wrote:
i dont think scam is a scum but hes difently not voting thats laves 9 people with 3 scum and we need 6 to lynch, this will be a close call.

On August 04 2013 14:13 Nightcat99 wrote:
so slam , assuming only one of them is a scum for umasi and gotard.

And you have to pick two other people to lynch right now, who would you pick.

On August 05 2013 02:54 Nightcat99 wrote:
I think i am going to have to push gotard too , i am still complete convince that umasi is not scum but his respond is reasonable enough for me for now, i still think its a dumb move, but its probably a dumb town move, and gotard hasnt really say much since the pressure, and his original vote on infil is odd.

#vote gotard.


He also made posts hinting on getting a no lynch the last day:
On August 04 2013 13:56 Nightcat99 wrote:
i keep looking at the voting threat and i keep feeling like we wont get a lynch, and i will be piss off if we dont.

On August 04 2013 14:25 Nightcat99 wrote:
last game i only have a few people i through was scummy, ( i was completely wrong but atleast there was only a few people)

This game, i wont be surprise that you are all scums and i am playing alone.

There is so many non talkative people in this game, its so hard to get a read.


Considering this, I believe Nightcat is the last mafia
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 21:33 GMT
#1179
Oh, and this was my cop claim logic(the reason I switched(thank Umasi for asking and making me think about it)):

If he was town:
Someone asked why he didnt push or question RDO if he got the result back he was scum. I checked gotard filter and he indeed did not even mention him.(except for one post, but that was during the night phase so before he got the result back)
So I assumed he wasnt actually cop.
If he was VT he could claim it just to try and get a townie off him BUT all his actions late during the day was defensive. If he was VT he would instead argue for who should be lynched/who was most scummy.

So eventually I came to the conclusion the cop claim meant he was mafia.

I was so sure in my Deus/umasi read that I almost didnt switch.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 04 2013 21:59 GMT
#1180
Just realized RDO actually stayed on Umasi all this time, meaning he is also an option for the last mafia.

He was 4th to vote on reps:
reps)squishy (8): DeusXmachina, Holyflare, Umasi, RDaneelOlivaw, Alakaslam, Zyrre, Nightcat99, infii

Not as early as Nightcat, but still pretty easy to just wagon at that point.

His posts regarding the mafia team:
On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game

On August 02 2013 08:53 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn

On August 02 2013 09:03 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious.

Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier.

Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.

On August 02 2013 09:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!! Does he look scum? Yeah, there's definite indications. But most of those were about not wanting to randomly start lynching people day one, which may just be a misunderstanding of his and not due to any scumminess.

On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do

On August 04 2013 09:46 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
I don't want to go for scam because taking him out is too easy..it won't draw out much in the way of scumminess because everyone wants him gone. Whereas if we actually go after people who are playing we might get more info. Scam is just a lost cause. We can hope he eventually gets modkilled at some point anyway and saves us a lynch. If not, we can take him out when we feel like it. Or if we have a vigilante, they could sure do us a favor right now :p

At any rate, I think it's more productive to chase players right now, not lurkers

He posts a ton about Gotard and Umasi suspicions, you will have to read his filter for yourselves since it's so many posts.
The gist of it from my point of view:
- he starts out suspicious of gotard
- then adds suspicion of Usami, says he is equally suspicious of both
- comes out voting Usami

In his very last post for the day he says:
On August 04 2013 23:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Umasi's done a ok job of defending himself imo, agree with you on that slam. Pressure successful. Gotard next.

My reads thus far

scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell

Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him
Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed
Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak.


So they were equally scummy, Umasi defended himself OK, was getting on to Gotard. Then silent during this hectic voting session.

Seems slightly less scummy to me then Nightcat.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
August 10 2013 20:08 GMT
#1488
Tunnelvision/everyone being complacent during lategame really made it easy for you Umasi
Still very well played, you blended in just enough for no one to suspect you.

Would have been funny if I would have gotten everyone to switch to you for that one lynch, even though I had barely even filter dived you, was only through incorrect relations
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
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