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My thoughts on infii:
He seems to be pretty passive, both in the content of his posts and the amount of posts. He did state that he can't post as much as he likes but that might be a ruse. Infii does not seem to care that much about day 1. He might feel like you can't accomplish much.
On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
This seems like a shady reason for not helping. You can at least do your best to give us analysis. Even if your wrong it still helps us out in some way. You should not be afraid of being wrong.
It is hard for me to give a definitive answer right now, but I think we should all keep an eye on him. Hopefully the pressure will reveal something.
Furthermore, I want to point out that the process leading up to a lynch offers a lot more valuable information than the lynch itself. It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. My understanding is that no-lynches are more valuable when the game is almost over.
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On August 01 2013 07:54 DeusXmachina wrote:My thoughts on infii: He seems to be pretty passive, both in the content of his posts and the amount of posts. He did state that he can't post as much as he likes but that might be a ruse. Infii does not seem to care that much about day 1. He might feel like you can't accomplish much. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This seems like a shady reason for not helping. You can at least do your best to give us analysis. Even if your wrong it still helps us out in some way. You should not be afraid of being wrong. It is hard for me to give a definitive answer right now, but I think we should all keep an eye on him. Hopefully the pressure will reveal something. Furthermore, I want to point out that the process leading up to a lynch offers a lot more valuable information than the lynch itself. It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. My understanding is that no-lynches are more valuable when the game is almost over.
Yes.
You are certain on reps still?
Also. What of those who don't post much at all? At least a thought people. When lurkers are left to lie scum are strongly tempted to join them- it is easy and comfortable as lurking scum. Unless we lynch lurkers
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We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.
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On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote:
I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out.
There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town.
Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so.
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Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought.
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On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.
Nah. Tang looked totes town when I was scum. I offered to be bussed, they pulled it off beautifully but none of us had the same posting style. We were all scum though 
So in short: not really. That is not how you gauge scumminess, but it could be a factor of a case where you already have other reasons.
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On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote:
Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought.
I am very
VERY
odd.
Odd =\= scum and there is my reservation. He isn't quite so scummy but he is on a knife. Stray either way and totes scum 2me.
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I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game.
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On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.
It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows?
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game.
That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings.
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote:
Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought. I am very VERY odd. Odd =\= scum and there is my reservation. He isn't quite so scummy but he is on a knife. Stray either way and totes scum 2me.
His actions are odd and his posts are odd. You are just odd in general Alakaslam. I think there is a clear difference in this case. I am dead serious.
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I was thrown into the deep end by Deus after I announced I was new a more then a couple times. It is shocking having all the attention on you on Day 1 after literally nothing has been said. The reason I was voted to be lynched is because I said I was new multiple times and it came off as scummy. I was forced to defend my self which I did poorly being center stage. If you take me of the radar we can focus on the real scum instead of vanilla townies like me. I will be able to contribute unlike a lurker. If you lynch me you have less townies to meat shield later in the game let's get a Mafia night 1.
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Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you.
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On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote:Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy. Show nested quote +hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum. Here is his defense. Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already.
~oldest move in mafia strategy
why do you say this? Are you backtracking from the path of newb?
Like, you're trying to change your playstyle to make you look like less of a noob, and I really don't get it, because you're not doing things that are pro town, you're just messing around.
Scum? Sure!
Troll? guess so!
like~I don't know what you're playing at if you're town.
On August 01 2013 08:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you.
Why are you backtracking? Why isn't Deus town anymore?
##VOTE reps
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Deus has been very vocal that he thinks you are scum, but to convince people to vote you, if you ARE town, you're a counterproductive town.
So either way it's benefiting town, is what he's trying to communicate. I don't think that people should vote you because they think you're counterproductive, but because you're scum.
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On August 01 2013 08:25 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game. That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings.
The fact that he thinks I am hurting the town. The feelings are not hurt if I am lynched. But this is a Salem Witch hunt he was first to point I guess I am going to be first to die. "Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point." This shows how little he cares if a townie is lynched. If he does not care that a townie is lynched now why do you think he is going to change in the future?
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reps, you ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
you have preformed jack.
there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you.
There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap"
when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off.
He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum.
(this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target)
The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum.
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On August 01 2013 08:44 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:25 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game. That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings. The fact that he thinks I am hurting the town. The feelings are not hurt if I am lynched. But this is a Salem Witch hunt he was first to point I guess I am going to be first to die. "Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point." This shows how little he cares if a townie is lynched. If he does not care that a townie is lynched now why do you think he is going to change in the future?
You have not driven any of your insights into us at all so we cannot be certain whether you are just playing a bad town or not. The mafia meta video that you claimed to watch explains that you have to prove to town beyond all reasonable doubt that you are a townie otherwise you just become a bad person to read and can be scum or detremental to town. As we can afford to mislynch people a few times in a row it is often best to get rid of the people that would hinder you in the later stages of the game off early; lurkers, obvious scum, bad towns.
If you truly want to reconcile your town worthyness now I want you to go through every filter and point out to me who you think are the most suspicious people so far. I want you to quote your reasoning and explain logically your choices. Only then will I believe that lynching you MAY be the wrong idea. Click this for the list of player names - click each name for a filter of their typing only
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I think holyflare just linked the entire OP. This specifically should lead you to what we want you to work with.
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Well yes, maybe I should have just done that 
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