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On August 05 2013 00:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Why so scummy zyrre?
Random stuff is not always wholly random.
I can't acess thread for a while after about a half hour, probably not until deadline.
MY VOTE, THERFORE, IS SET.
Zyrre. You need to secure lynch and might not and never talk anymore except right after someone calls you on lurking in a strong enough way.
This is what DeusXmachina accused RDO of and it is making too many people scum.
What I need is irrelevant. TOWN needs to secure lynch, if you think me saying that is scummy then please argue WHY.
Yes I haven't posted very much, look at WHAT I have posted instead. And posting more frequently after someone telling you to is neither mafia or town since BOTH alignments would want to do that.
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Calling all townies, less then 3.5hours left until lynch
We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi.
##unvote DeusXmachina
##vote Umasi
My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam.
Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me".
When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk.
Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see.
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Firstly, Nightcat and stim please post your votes and reasonings.
I can see your reasoning infii, I do believe however that Umasi is simply playing a good mafia game there though, as you said yourself in the post you linked.
I can't really give good reasoning to vote Umasi on his posts on their own, since my biggest suspicion of him comes from my other read on DeusX. The big one I see was of course the vote switch. He said early that no lynching was stupid and bad, and then takes a risk that will happen anyway. If he was town and reps flipped red it would have been insta-lynch.
Read this exchange (or at least the bolded) after the reps lynch and tell me it doesnt look extremely like two mafias "being suspicous" to seem innocent and disconnected:
On August 02 2013 05:20 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:54 Nightcat99 wrote:
it works, and you shall just post now, umasi is not answering .
So its super scummy to me, hes the number 1 target tomorrow. Show nested quote +I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on was afk, I made that clear. Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:
And yeah, I recognize a no-lynch might occur.
That's how hard my opinion of reps has swung, to the point that I'm willing to no lynch over his death.
##VOTE INFII
I'm out of time. I'll explain the vote more later, when I have time.
I've made that clear too. I was pretty much perfectly clear on everything. I agree what I did was scummy, because I'm a proponent of never ever no lynch. THAT is how hard my opinion swayed on him. Since reps flipped town, I'm looking at deus and infii. Infii moreso than deus. Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit)) Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. deus with that post. I've explained my thoughts on it here, posted for your convenience. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote:On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY. Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. reps flip as town does not mean we are town. It's just as easy for mafia to be correct about someones alignment as it is towns. In fact, it's easier! If anyone has questions for me, I'm around for the rest of the day, as far as I know.
On August 02 2013 05:24 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote:Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. Deus, that's FALSE.
We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear.
On August 02 2013 05:39 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:29 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 02 2013 05:24 Umasi wrote:On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote:Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote:
Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. Deus, that's FALSE. We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear. Woah woah woah. I think most of us were in agreement that reps was a bad townie and not helping. Were we just supposed to hope that he would get better? Sorry bro but if he had real motivation to improve we would have seen it by now. Still a good lynch. Are you telling me that you have enough information to lynch someone else. Hardly. Any candidate you throw out would be just as likely to be a miss-lynch. No matter how you cut it, miss lynching is not a good thing. I don't even know why you CARE what I think about the miss lynch, and calling it a bad thing. The reason I care about what your opinions on it are is because you post a meaningless statement that feels like you're trying to include yourself. Show nested quote +Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. And deus, he did show motivation to improve, you actually responded to it yourself. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A: This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. "this is a good start" implying he'd started to improve. The more you respond, the worse a feeling I get about you.
On August 02 2013 06:00 Umasi wrote:
I don't think I was being defensive. Feel free to push the issue though, but I'll move on from the issue (push it if you want)
You said your plan was to look at me and slam for scum. Who else are you thinking? town reads, scum reads, anything.
After this, NOTHING about DeusX.
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If anyone is unsure, please look at DeusX filter page 3 (last 41 hours). It already looked suspicous defending Umasi with 10 posts. And now look at his latest post! It's a fucking Dostojevskij book on why umasi is innocent. And a small note on the end agreeing with "everyone else" on gotard. (at the time of posting "everyone else was infii + the two others i suspect to be mafia (slam and umasi)).
Don't be stupid town, this lynch is incredibly important, especially if scam is gonna keep not playing the game.
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Also note the difference in DeusX behavior in day 1 and day 2 lynch. Both were unsure lynches until the end. In the first one no mafia was under suspicion, he then posted his aggressive rant about sticking to it and getting a lynch. Today when the alternative is mafia(umasi) he posts an almost unreadable book about umasis innocence.
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He just seems like confused/new townie to me. Remember the mafia have at least two other mafias helping them in a private forum, and I assume the coach is in there as well. So bad townie is more likely then bad mafia.
Specify your big reasons you think he is scum if you want me to argue them.
If we lynch gotard and he is town as I think, the next day will be 8 players, 3 of which will be mafia, and also scam. So a very bad position for town. That's the reason I am trying to change this vote.
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No DeusX, if you read my posts you see that my premis is based on you being mafia 
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Im assuming you mean this one?
On August 04 2013 05:52 infii wrote:Just caught up on the thread... honestly guys, what in the buttslapping fuck is going on here? TIL I love and hate the game mafia. It feels like my brain is wrapped in barbed wire, but I love it! mwahahaah ...first things first: Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote:On August 03 2013 07:50 Umasi wrote:
infii, did you even read the message I linked? The entire reason I unvoted is BECAUSE of what I thought of reps and you.
It was not clear that reps was going to be lynched, here's why:
If it were clear, then people wouldn't get angry at me for endangering the lynch. and the entire point behind my reasoning is that I'd have preferred a no lynch than a reps lynch. Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time. Umasi, you still did not answer my question. --- This is what I think is going on: Umasi and Gotard: Both scum OR just one of them is scum. If both scum - pre lynch, existing connection between them, none took a stand against each other, which makes sense - after lynch, suspicion on them went over the top, they decide that it's probably better to break the connection from a town viewpoint, and start accusing each over (gotard voted umasi, umasi's analysis stated that gotard is pretty much scum) - if one gets lynched, the other one is pretty much free of suspicion because they took a stand against each other after lynch (which was already stated by someone) If one of them is scum - pre lynch, no connection between them, none took a stand against each other, which would be pure coincidence - after lynch, with the fingers pointed at them, both take a stand against each other but only gotard specifically focuses only on umasi, while umasi did also analyse other possible scumreads with the conclusion, that gotard is the most scummy one. Umasi's behaviour looks much more pro-town than gotard's. But that could also be just good scum play. - the lynch will pretty much be 50/50 for flipping red, it doesn't even matter who gets voted. As for my gut feeling I'm leaning slightly more towards gotard. We can still continue to interrogate Umasi on the next day, also I want a full-out defense from gotard. ##vote gotardPS.: interesting post is coming up in couple minutes from me
I read it. The lynchpin seems to be that if only one of them is mafia because Umasis behaviour is more pro-town. I said that I believe he is just playing good scum play (you write that you think it is possible).
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Not sure what I think of the claim yet. My biggest read was DeusX and only Umasi by extenstion, chose to vote Umasi to get a lynch. Still possible it is DeusX, Umasi, RDO.
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EBWOP: The lynchpin seems to be that if only one of them is mafia it must be Umasi because Umasis behaviour is more pro-town.
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I think you should consider going back to usami gotard. Remember there might be one of these among the scum:
Human Error (Mafia Framer):
Each night, you can frame a target to invert the result of his alignment for the purpose of alignment checks.
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One of my biggest reasons why I think DeusX is scum (and by extension, Usami):
Why would a town defend another player, which he doesnt know the alignment of, so hard?
If there are two people potentially being lynched, at least from my perspective, I simply try to argue for the one I find most likely to be scum. Perhaps noting any argumental errors others make when evaluating the other person.
But focusing a HUGE amount of posts and words on defending someone? Seems like only mafia would do that to me.
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Funny that you asked the question at the same time deus And yes a large part of suspecting you was because of this, not all of it though.
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Except we would not have a 100% scum, he was a prime target for role check night one and mafia can have a framer, as I just posted.
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Can STIM please post and vote?
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Uh, what? I havent even discussed believing him, YOU started discussing the potential next lynch after he is confirmed dead cop.
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And yes the possibility might be rather small, no idea how they choose which roles will be in play. But if it IS the case, It is literally game over to lynch gotard and then RDO. (would leave us with 3 mafia and 3 town(including scam who could be 3rd party if he is not killed by mafia).
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Like I said Im not sure Gotard, the reason I suggested you go back is it is more likely to lynch umasi then RDO this day. And I assume you also suspected usami as you voted for him.
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stim gonna get modkilled?
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