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ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt? Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:07 Z-BosoN wrote: How do you think the QT should be used effectively? What do you think of my thoughts in the other post? The game has just started. I think the QT's at this point should be used to figure out your mason partner's alignment. Subject to change later on. You mean this post? On July 24 2013 14:46 Z-BosoN wrote: Hey dudes I think to start things off, I want to implore you to please avoid spam in the thread, and at all costs, DONT LURK. Ima bit traumatized frm nuclear mafia Also, I would like everyone to comment on this QT mechanic, and how it should be used. To answer my own question, I am of the view that the QTs should be as active as possible. Each person in the QT should gauge the reaction of their buddy and try to compare the general posting on the thread and on the QT. Its another source of information that should be used. HOWEVER, the good posts and analysis should be in the thread, where everyone can view the info. Im sure scum would much rather hide behind the QTs instead of posting out in the open, so lets try to avoid that. For clarity: Random thoughts, fluff, and other stuff = QT Cases, relevant analysis, poking and prodding = thread Thoughts/comments? I think there should be no random thoughts & fluff. Why do you? Also what do you mean by other stuff? At this point all analysis should be on thread. There is no reason to be not transparent. | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, @rayne You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. | ||
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On July 24 2013 15:51 Z-BosoN wrote: Theres no reason he should do that as scum either. I wouldnt care for that at all if he had contributed in some more useful manner later on. Is the claim solely the biggest issue you have with shiaopi? That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. On July 24 2013 15:47 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, theres only like two pages of content, so theres not really much I can say. He's a little slow with the posts, but thats not alignment indicative. Anything caught your attention? Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? | ||
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raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 06:28 AM ET (US) omg. seriously? :EE 4 Malongo 07-24-2013 05:14 AM ET (US) hi Ryan. I am sorry, i asked to get you killed  . Nothing personal, i actually didnt knew it was you and just resent a hold up msg a minute ago (trying to revert the hit). ShiaoPis claim is null to me, more likely just a plain townie/dt trying to prevent a hit from the mafia, Z-Boson null for now. I think Lazermonkeys post is more of a threat.Again sorry if I cant hold the hit, I thought most the guys posting were already on contact (still 5/6 players to post), also thats why I posted "sorry i couldnt resist". 3 raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 02:01 AM ET (US) hey! what do you think of shiaoPi's/Z-Boson's first post? 2 Malongo 07-24-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) What is this? I got caught by surprise haha. | ||
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I'm interested in hearing why you think Z-Boson's post about the claim is any better than mine? Look at what he says: " Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... He calls the post pointless and actually for me that bolded line reads he is suspicious of you no? | ||
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On July 24 2013 19:50 ShiaoPi wrote: but not based on the claim itself. It was based on activity after the claim, a much more solid tell than the claim. Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway? I wanted you to give your reasons for claiming and i was promoting discussion by hopping on you. I don't know your alignment so there is always the possibility that you just did something stupid as scum and can't explain it. I would have insta-lynched you if you said "because i am a vt" or something like that. Look at what my pressure on you did? I think both of Z-Boson/FirmTofu's follow up's on this are fishy. Z-Boson somehow thinks i think you are scum. And FirmTofu's actions are already pointed out. | ||
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"Hi ShiaoPi, why did you claim VT? It's scummy or stupid, or maybe you have some sort of a plan, like gauging reactions which is reasonable for a townie to do. Which is it?" Why the fuck should i give you the answers that are right? What's the point of questions in that case? | ||
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On July 24 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what i mean. Why the fuck should i scumhunt like this: "Hi ShiaoPi, why did you claim VT? It's scummy or stupid, or maybe you have some sort of a plan, like gauging reactions which is reasonable for a townie to do. Which is it?" Why the fuck should i give you the answers that are right? What's the point of questions in that case? | ||
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On July 24 2013 20:13 ShiaoPi wrote: hahahahaha, I am avoiding the question? Are you sure you are reading what I am posting? Even without my claim there was plenty of other possible discussion you could do in thread about usage of the QT for example. Scumhunting in there is something you have done, sure but your reaction to my claim and the subsequent vote now is just terrible beyond measure. Yes you are avoiding the question. Another one. Why do you want people to talk about setup rather than other people's actual actions in this game? Setup talk usually finds you scum right? | ||
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On July 24 2013 20:30 ShiaoPi wrote: Look for example at FirmTofu's posts on QTs: He first asks questions to the thread in regards to stances on QT (in this case whether or not to reveal you mason partner): but avoids posting this first: Which would instantly clarify his stance in any case. Why test the waters first with questions, if you have already made up your mind? It is scummy to me, trying to blend in with threadflow after asking where it is. I don't understand a single bit of this post. Are you accusing me of blending in by asking you questions, when i have clearly stated what my thought process was? | ||
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I am scum because i did discuss your claim and wanted to know your reasons for claiming VT. You say i should have focused on other things like QT-talk, which i did. At the same time you accuse FirmTofu of being wishy-washy about the QT-thingy (asking useless questions). By that logic i should come up as townie to you, because i did what you by your own words expect from a townie. You say Z-Boson did a townie thing by saying your claim is not alignment indicative. Guess what. I said that too, i said your reasons for the claim might be alignment indicative. Z-Boson however implies he is supicious of you in the very same post, when activity is really not a thing that's alignment indicative, at least in the first 12 hours of the game. You take that as a face value, actually you YOURSELF call your actions (or rather lack of them - activity) scummy, but when i state my reasons for my actions you are not willing to even try to understand them. By using that logic i could say you are scum because you fucked up at the start. You can't explain that, it is set in the stone. But i am not, so can you now clarify your thought process to me. | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:17 ShiaoPi wrote: Tell me, what else does that mean: "what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively This is an implication to you that i want a reason for your claim. saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy. This post implies that I am not town to you. This is pressuring you to answer. This is where you backpedal See, i explain it here. In the set of quotes there is also the post you call Z-Boson town for. I don't understand how you get a town read on him for this as explained. I am not backpedalling, i am explaining what i am doing. and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum. Did I miss anything? Yes, that's where i really thought you were scum. However now i am not so sure about it any more as i can see what you mean. However you are wrong if you are town. You started discussion with VT claim. I found that odd and wanted your reasons for the claim. If you think i am scum because of that then there is not much i can answer to you regarding that other than you are wrong. I, like you wanted to start the discussion on something other than setup. Last game (Bluelightz game) i tried playing more passively than usual and see what the D1 was like. Fucking awful. ##Unvote: | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote: How does mafia know the way the pairings get paired? Actually this is a good point. Also i don't understand why Lazer said what he did (assuming scum are paired with town - then saying it's likely random). | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote: @rayn: We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing. Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia. | ||
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Also lol Koshi. None of your points hold water. 1) I have already explained this. If you are gonna call me out on this you need to call me a liar, because i did not suspect ShiaoPi because of what you are saying. 2) Wrong. I have explained before, and now why i think FirmTofu is scummy to me. 3) Of course i found it strange. That's why i posted the fucking log. There is his explanation that does not add up to me. But the thing that he retracted from the shot makes me think he is town atm. If you are gonna use the shot why not just say nothing and go with it? 4) So because you don't find Sylencia scummy i am scum. Right. Do you think Sylencia is town? Why? | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone. ##unvote ##vote: stutters Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please! What differentiaties Stutters from Sylencia? | ||
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Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:51 Rainbows wrote: Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not? Im at work so very little posts. I don't think it's a good idea. People who are gonna get vig-lynched are obviously gonna shoot their mason partner if they fear they are close to getting shot and that's not alignment indicative at all. I especially did not like your post where you say "if you are town and getting vig-lynched you need to accept your death". That's ridiculous. If i was gonna get vig-lynched i was 100% gonna shoot my mason partner because i know i am town and i can't be 100% certain of them being town, so at least there is a possibility of shooting scum. What? | ||
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When i asked for your scumreads why did you feel the need to say "i don't think i want to lynch Stutters"? Lazer: I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not? | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote: 3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me. This has been on the table many times and this is completely false. Why are you not reading the thread? I don't know what other people are accusing you of but i am not accusing you of thinking ShiaoPi's claim was whatever. I am accusing you of the way you did approach the whole situation (calling the claim fishy only after you saw someone you thought thought ShiaoPi was scummy). | ||
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Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad. | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote: Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game. Or how about you start doing something that is not useless? I will then reconsider my vote. You know, how much of a lynchbait you are does not make you automatically town. That's like the crappiest defence i have heard. "Yo, i'm a lynchbait, vote for someone else". Give us some reads if you are town. It does not matter if you are right or wrong but if you don't even try you will never be right. And it also makes me think you don't even want to try, in which case you are scum. | ||
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I can debunk your case, i was/am at work (yes, atm too). | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424 This is what my scumplay looks like. | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:32 Stutters695 wrote: If you want to vig him I'm totally behind it. No, that's stupid. He'll come back and contribute or we lynch him. He doesn't seem very townie atm other than his "shot" on me. I have been trying to think why would that make sense from him as either alignment and i can't understand it (assuming he actually shot and then asked for cancel). Usually it's townies tat do stupid stuff like this so atm i am inclined to lean town on hm, but i would really like him to answer me at least in our QT. | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:36 ShiaoPi wrote: rayn ie actually reminding me of his play in catch 22. but I suck at meta cases and i dislike using them, so i did not mention it until now. @FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? Explain the similitaries. | ||
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But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/ I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time. | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote: I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon? You need to elaborate on this. | ||
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Currently: Sylencia Koshi | ||
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On July 26 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote: Word. This really needs to go away. I am having at least three people that I can think of on top of my head that is suspecting me JUST because I attacked them Lol. You guys needs to realize that wrong=/=scum... And you here are saying you are accusing townies? You just got onto my list of justice. | ||
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Lazer, have you seen Koshi play scum? Your townread on him is based on extremely weak and wrong reasons. | ||
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Malongo 07-25-2013 07:26 AM ET (US) Honestly I am lost, I have like 0 reads atm. My vote on Koshi is basically an abstain. raynpelikoneet 07-24-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) Where's your head atm? Who do you think is scum? What do you think of Rainbows / Sylencia / FT? I have no idea what to think about this.. | ||
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Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless. | ||
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I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day). Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:43 FirmTofu wrote: rayn, have you finished catching up with the thread? You still don't want to concede? Why the fuck would i concede when i am town? | ||
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Stutters is the other one then most likely. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:50 Lazermonkey wrote: If he really is scum and you aren't, this is the craziest fucking play I've ever seen... Did you read the whole thread? Yes i read the thread and i hve no fucking idea what's going on. All i know is that Boson needs to die asap- | ||
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why won't you let me play Z-Boson, that's not really fair? :E | ||
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i was gonna shoot Z-Boson. | ||
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why the fuck would anyone give up. :/ it's dumb. | ||
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That would not do any good for me because i would have been dead D3, and i didn't notice it and just read our QT in thread and.... gratz town, you played very well. | ||
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So i would have lost anyways. Sorry for the team for not playing up to standards on D1, i was really busy with work and tried to read as much as possible. My play gets really hurt as either alignment if i can't be active enough. :/ WP town, especially ShiaoPi. From now on i will lynch you every game if you don't play like this. :D | ||
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On July 27 2013 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry for my abysmal play guys. First 24 hours I could've played way better, my excuse was legitimate for the second part though. I don't lie about RL stuff. You were good at Dandeling at first 24h though ^^ | ||
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I was like "why the fuck does this always happen to me" in scum QT. ^_^ | ||
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On July 27 2013 06:41 s0Lstice wrote: what a disaster : / Tell me about it. :D | ||
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