EPTOn July 26 2013 12:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
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I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum
You have my full permission!7 minutes
I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum
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I feel so fucking good now. I fucking jizzed. | ||
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With that being said, I'm going to sleep once again. | ||
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So some quick anylyze of what probably happend. Scum genrally never busses hard D1. Yes, it has been done but most of the time the simple answer is the correct one: i.e. the scum team lacked thread control and played bad. As for players. Dandel, Sylencia, Koshi and Rainbows all look really really good to me. Rayn actually looks really horrific after that lynch. Ctrl+F "Artanis" in his filter. The first two and a half pages he doesn't take a stance on him at all and barely mentions him. Now, I wouldn't say this is the biggest scum tell but when you look at the game, Artanis was a quite big topic of discussion at times. Rainbows wrote a case, Dandel pushed him. I talked a little about him. Sure, Rayn wasn't the only one NOT to talk about Artanis but I do feel its wierd that he didn't take any type of stance at all. When he suddenly posts this posts On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I call him out for it.This is how he answersAlso we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the only time that he ever took a stance on Artanis and his explanation is so lack luster that I can't find words for it. What part of his play was logical? Why does that indicate town play? What does he think about the several points that has been brought up by everyone? He doesn't comment on that at all. Instead he proceeds to vote for Malongo who he hasn't mentioned at all prior to the lynch as well. He is first reluctant to vote him because he thinks he is just useless and would rather go for Koshi/Sylencia but in the end he votes him anyway because he rather wants to see him hang than Artanis. But we have 0 knowledge of why that is... O, that's right Artanis was "logical"...Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless. Stutters looks bad as well after this lynch. He actually never mention Artanis one single time in his filter (though he does talk about how he fell for the kenpachi rule 5 times... Not that this is relevant in any way). He doesn't push his top scum read, Malango, at all but instead argues with me. He doesn't take a stance on anyone else except for a really weak town read on Dandel very very early on. With all that being said, I'm actually getting a bit torn on Stutters, his play doesn't really make sense if he was scum. If he was, he'd knew that his scum buddy Artanis was in trouble. While a straight up defense might be out of the question at that point, why didn't he push for Malango or anyone else? At the time where he left, it was very uncertain who was getting lynched and I it was clear that Artanis was under threat, much more so than himself. I also think its semi wierd that he doesn't even try to comment on anyone. I know "too scummy to be scum" is a bad way to justify someone's innocence but why doesn't he even try to fabricate some reads? Look at Artanis for example, he actually gives out alot of reads. Some of them, his scum read on me comes to mind, felt insanely forced but he at least tried. Stutters just didn't do shit and was open about that, which actually gives me some town vibes All in all, I still think stutters look bad but not as bad as he did before... Z-Boson: TBH I haven't looked too much into this guy but my impression is that he is more likely wrong town than scum. He has been active and it seems like he is trying to figure out stuff. But it is alarming that we have so diferent reads. He also defended Artanis quite a bit. FirmTofu: I think he upped his game alot since the start. And while I don't like to make associated reads before flip, he is pushing Rayn quite a bit and seems to be certain that he is scum. With that being said though, while he didn't ignore the Malango/Artanis issue, he didn't really take a clear stance on which one of them he wantd to kill the most. He also just left his vote on Rayn which I dislike. Still quite scummy. ShiaoPi: At first, I thought he looked quite good after the lynch. His play made sense and his reads post flip were very similar to mine. However, he was at first very reluctant to comment on the Artanis/Malango issue. Actually, what gives me a really scummy feeling about him is that he close to dead line comes to the conclusion that Malango isn't scum. What does he do? Votes Rayn... WTF!? So instead of saving the guy he thinks is town by voting Artanis (and let me get this straight, he did not have a town read on Artanis or anything) He places his vote on a guy who isn't going to get lynched, which means the guy who he thinks is town IS going to get lynched. He even asks if a Rayn lynch is happening, gets the answer "no" and still leaves the vote on Rayn... I just don't know -.- Conclusion: I think we really should kill Rayn tomorrow. I'm kinda uncertain on the other guys, I want to hear them to explain their action + do some scum hunting but right now my order of lynch preference is something like this 1.Rayn 2.stutters 3.ShiaoPi/FT 5.Z-Boson Jesus, that was a long post : P | ||
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ShiaoPi Do you really think FT can be considered town just because he was attacked early by Artanis? Scum attacking each other early on in the game is not uncommon at all in my opinion. And attacks early D1 hardly means anything anyway.. Dandel Why is rayn dumb and not scum? What does "Rainbow dunno" mean? That you haven't read him or that you are unsure of his alignment? I don't get what you mean with Firm really, You seem to be very uncertain of these town reads yet you say that both stutters and Z-Boson are scum via elimination. This doesn't make sense. Either you are really sure of Rayn, Rainbow and Firm being town or procoess of elimination is quite useless. | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:02 ShiaoPi wrote: So you'd rather kill your town read than the person you think is useless?@Lazer: I did not want to kill Artanis since I wanted to keep him around for another cycle and see if he would continue to be useless. Therefore I sat on my vote and wanted to off rayn(still want to), my scumread. In regards to my read on FT the thing that artanis attacked him is more or less the cherry on top. During my interaction with him earlier I was already moving him out of the scummy zone. Also he is a town-leaning null read not a townread | ||
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35 Koshi 07-26-2013 05:11 AM ET (US) yay for us! 34 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) We really should kill Artanis I think... 33 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 04:39 PM ET (US) Not bad, scum... 32 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) Artanis... sooo bad. 31 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 03:53 PM ET (US) Sorry I am a bit late : (. Actually nvm I think you are town after reading throuhg that section once again. very unlikely that scum would do something like that and I actually like your thoughts about artanis. 30 Koshi 07-25-2013 03:18 PM ET (US) Got any questions? 29 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 02:42 PM ET (US) You are playing so fucking wierd I don't really know what to make of you. I'm ready for a chat in about 30 minutes I think... 28 Koshi 07-25-2013 02:08 PM ET (US) Or maybe I didn't. Seems like I wrote the message in the thread first. 2 mins earlier. Oh well. 27 Koshi 07-25-2013 02:05 PM ET (US) lol. It pays off to be a drama queen. Just for the record. I wrote down the m25 before going crazy in chat :D, you can check that. I had a feeling people would be mad if I posted that. 26 Lazermonkey 07-25-2013 01:25 PM ET (US) Hmm, why is both artanis and sylencia so reluctant to kill each other? Correct play, no matter what alignment, would probably be to kill each other. It will save us a misslynch pretty much : DEdited 07-25-2013 01:26 PM 25 Koshi 07-25-2013 12:06 PM ET (US) I want to vote artanis today. From my first read I found FT to look town, I still believe that.Edited 07-25-2013 12:06 PM 24 Koshi 07-24-2013 04:39 PM ET (US) I agree that Stutters is not scumhunting. But he is not doing anything scummy except for that. 23 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 04:01 PM ET (US) Also, you don't even comment on stutters play. Sure, maybe he played bad that one game. Maybe he is really bad as town. Maybe not. But what do YOU think about him? 22 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:45 PM ET (US) I'm not talking about being "not agressive", I'm talking about not scum hunting. 21 Koshi 07-24-2013 03:39 PM ET (US) I played with Stutters in Nuclear. He isn't aggressive at all, and an easy scapegoat. He was bad for town that game. 20 Koshi 07-24-2013 03:37 PM ET (US) I added some color in the thread. You can read it there. 19 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:33 PM ET (US) I'm getting more and more wary of stutters. he seems generally uninterested in finding scum it seems but is trying to appear contributing by posting dumbass policy shit. what's your take on him. 18 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:31 PM ET (US) Where? 17 Koshi 07-24-2013 03:28 PM ET (US) I think I gave more reasons. 16 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:26 PM ET (US) So you think he is scum because he says firmtofu and sylencia is scum? By that logic I am scum as well. But you say I'm null. I'm confused... 15 Koshi 07-24-2013 03:24 PM ET (US) I would kill Rayn. I already gave the reasons. I don't have clear reads yet, always takes me a while to get in the game. 14 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:19 PM ET (US) Prehaps so but there was a long long time before dead line. and IIRC there were people who disagreed with the suspicions on FT so why did you feel the need to defend him so early? Why not let him do that himself? What do you think about FT then? still null? Do you really not think his actions are alignment indicative at all? Who would you like to kill the most at the moment? And explain WHY you want to that person! 13 Koshi 07-24-2013 03:14 PM ET (US) I had 2 problems with this game after reading it. 1) Tofu was getting too easily wagoned. I pointed out 2 people I felt did that. 2) I don't like Rayn saying he is now suspicious of FirmTofu or Sylencia. His previous voting for ShiaoPi and harddefending the Kenpachi thing is something I don't approve but dont know if it is scummy. 12 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:05 PM ET (US) Where are you??? 11 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 02:36 PM ET (US) So, I'm here right now : ). But why did you say that shit about my post then? Rayn looks kinda bad because of kenpachi thing and how he failed hard to argue under pressure. But I recently played a game with Rayn where he had 15 page filter after 72 hours of the game. That kind of activity you just don't have as scum. I'll let him post some more tomorrow and see where it leads us. Also, you opinion!Edited 07-24-2013 02:37 PM 10 Koshi 07-24-2013 02:21 PM ET (US) We have different views. I don't know if you are scum/tow. Null to me. I am looking at rayn. Your opinion on him? 9 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 02:16 PM ET (US) Oki, I'm semi here for some time, in a few minutes I'll be more active! What is your stance on me? 8 Koshi 07-24-2013 02:06 PM ET (US) You got questions? I am on/off 7 Koshi 07-24-2013 01:24 PM ET (US) I always seem to look scummy on day 1, a bit like FimrTofu. I don't see any reasons except that silly kenpachi crap why FT is scum this game. I do see a lot of people jumping on the FT wagon for only that reason. Which I find strange. Which I pointed out. 6 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 12:17 PM ET (US) Lol. Okey, I'm ready for a chat in a bit, you? Like in 2 hours maybe? I needed to get discusion going somewhere. Policy talk weren't productive at all. Now we at least got something to talk about. And I do think what FT did is scummy. Not OMGUSCUM-scummy but still scummy. I'm happy with my vote on him for the time being. Now, I was actually just about to post a bit on why I think you look wierd i the thread but I'll save it for some time, will go and eat some dinner soon. Anyway, you are being quite unclear with your motives this far I feel. You are really just fluffing it up hard core. Sure scum could've started the kenpachi discussion but is it likely? Sure Artanis could both be scum and town. But where are your conclusions? Do you mean that Artanis is scum? Do you mean that scum did start the kenpachi discussion? And I don't get the part on me. Do you think I'm scummy? why? Why so defensive of Sylencia and FT? Why not pursue your own scum reads instead? 5 Koshi 07-24-2013 10:01 AM ET (US) So why are you targeting FT so harshly? 4 Koshi 07-24-2013 09:11 AM ET (US) Oh you are from Sweden. That's perfect. 3 Koshi 07-24-2013 09:05 AM ET (US) Hi. 2 Lazermonkey 07-24-2013 03:47 AM ET (US) Howdy! 1 CorazonPerson was signed in when posted 07-23-2013 09:45 AM ET (US) Mason Pair #5. You are allowed to say as little or as much as you want, and you are allowed to change your name on QT to remain anonymous. As long as it is allowed in the thread, it is allowed here. QT messages may be copied and pasted onto the thread. 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On July 27 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote: Lol, why feel guilty? That is the play of the century! Easily nominating for "best play" at mafia awards 2013! : DGG Z-Boson and rayn. I'm feeling a little guilty about making that play BUT this is good to put on my list of, "Why it is sometimes good to lie as town". Saved for posterity. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lol.I have no idea wha's going on. Good shot Sylencia! I promise to be more help tomorrow. I have had shit days at work (~18-20hours/day). Sylencia & ShiaoPi are town, i have no idea about anyone else. | ||
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