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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#501
On July 26 2013 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:
On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.

Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.

He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town

If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread


This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p

Well, he did just stick out his neck for me.


Look, he stuck his neck out again! and for me!
I hope you are my date tomorrow
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
July 25 2013 21:35 GMT
#502
On July 26 2013 06:33 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:
On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.

Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.

He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town

If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread


This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p

Well, he did just stick out his neck for me.


Look, he stuck his neck out again! and for me!
I hope you are my date tomorrow

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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2013 21:47 GMT
#503
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.

2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?

3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.

4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?

5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.

6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?

7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.

8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.

9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.

10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.

11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.

12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2013 21:52 GMT
#504
Lets talk rayn or malongo?

Is there a small chance that both are scum?
Is Malongo scum for trying to kill rayn? But why did he stop? He didn't give a reason.
Is rayn scum for not shooting malongo? I feel like he should be more upset about it?
I had a good night of sleep.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
July 25 2013 21:58 GMT
#505
On July 26 2013 06:52 Koshi wrote:
Lets talk rayn or malongo?

Is there a small chance that both are scum?

Seems unlikely. Drawing attention to both of them with the stint Malongo pulled seems unlikely.
Is Malongo scum for trying to kill rayn? But why did he stop? He didn't give a reason.

I have no idea and I would like to know that as well. I can't find both a town or a scum reason for it so it mostly leaves me confused.
Is rayn scum for not shooting malongo? I feel like he should be more upset about it?

I think he realized after a while that it didn't go through and I like how he continued to scumhunt afterwards. I don't like how he hasn't really put any pressure on Malongo though, but it's possible he's done that in the QT.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 25 2013 22:02 GMT
#506
Actually, i was just about to tell this:
Malongo
07-25-2013
07:26 AM ET (US)

Honestly I am lost, I have like 0 reads atm. My vote on Koshi is basically an abstain.

raynpelikoneet
07-24-2013
04:58 PM ET (US)
Where's your head atm? Who do you think is scum?

What do you think of Rainbows / Sylencia / FT?


I have no idea what to think about this..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 25 2013 22:03 GMT
#507
Pretty hard to put some pressure onto him when he does not say anything in there..
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2013 22:06 GMT
#508
I really wonder why malongo stopped.
It would be pretty sick that he did it because he figured out you were his mason and you are both scum. It's sounds crazy but why actually send the pm to the host (let's be honest here, he did that) and then stop because suddenly it was rayn in the mason chat...

If Malongo was doing #BigPlays, he should have followed up better than what he is doing.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 25 2013 22:07 GMT
#509
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 25 2013 22:09 GMT
#510
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 25 2013 22:12 GMT
#511
On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.

Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.

He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town

If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 25 2013 22:15 GMT
#512
On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.

So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.

I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2013 22:17 GMT
#513
On July 26 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also now Koshi has figured out new things why i am scum for. Those things were already said when he made his first case on me. He is also left out everything else i have done, which is far more than most of the players in terms of scumhunting.

Got to find reasons why people are scummy. What else is there to do?
I don't know who to vote on rayn. Can you help me?
I had a good night of sleep.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 25 2013 22:17 GMT
#514
On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey.
Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 25 2013 22:19 GMT
#515
On July 26 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.

So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.

I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?

My vote is still on him. But I would not bet monies on Artanis being scum if I had 4:1 odds. Or is it 1:4? I am no bookmaker.
I had a good night of sleep.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#516
On July 26 2013 07:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.

So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.

I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
What tha? So Artanis comes back and you suddenly don't think he is scum anymore?

My vote is still on him. But I would not bet monies on Artanis being scum if I had 4:1 odds. Or is it 1:4? I am no bookmaker.
Let me rephrase, who do you want to kill the most?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 25 2013 22:28 GMT
#517
On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey.
Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis?

Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with.

Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 25 2013 22:29 GMT
#518
Since we are getting closer to the deadline, here is how I be feeling this game:

First of all, lynching active people day one is stupid. On the offchance that they are town, it will massively fuck up the end game. Thus, I want town to fuck off concerning these players:

Lazermonkey
Rainbow
ShiaoPi (I'm surprised he's active, he's genrally lurky in d1)
rayn

That being said, here are the people I do not want to lynch because of the town vibes:

Artanis (see end of page 25)
Stutters (see end of this post)

This leaves:

Sylencia
Malango
Koshi
FirmTofu
Dandel Ion


... so who, Z-BosoN? Who? WHO??!?!?!?!




1- Dandel

Dandel had some activity earlier but had to leave. Right now, he's very self-confident of his meta:

On July 25 2013 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:
Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this?

Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.

On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction?

Because the claim is either stupid or scum.


Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is.
However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...



I'm already hard-confirmed town just based on my meta.
Deal with it.


But I do want to make zboson dead too.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:
On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far.

I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post.
I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there.


I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead.

So you think it's only about the kenpachi?
eyo
When there is stuff, there is always stuff, you see. Some stuff is stuffier than other stuff but it's never alone. Unless it's not there, you see, but if it's not there it can't be alone either because it's not even there, you see.


Artanis is also scum.


And then:

On July 25 2013 05:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
ull notice the difference when u dont have to harddefend me (thx btw) because i wont even be up for lynch because im such an amazing work of art.

my beauty knows no limits.


He continued posting after these posts I quoted with, and actually changed his vote due to the fact he had to leave, last thing he did. This suggests that he's uncertain regarding his vote, despite wanting to appear confident. I view this as a townie trait, as I think a meta-aware scum dandel would most likely insist on his read. Not a strong tell, but I don't want to lynch him.

2- Stutters, right now I'm really not digging his lynch. I've played with him quite a few times before and he's always quiet but makes the occasional decent post.

He's also quite non-chalant. I pressured him with concerns on the fact that he only had Malango as a scum read and nothing else, and he replied with:

On July 25 2013 05:29 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 04:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game?

I think Mal is the best lynch currently. Not really sure otherwise.


Again, not the town read of my dreams, but I want him spared.

3- FirmTofu He's my mason buddy and he is adorable, but to be honest, I feel he has a good chance of being scum. Main post that caught my attention was this:

On July 26 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 02:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch?

Probably Artanis/Malongo/Sylencia.

I want to hear more from Z-Boson and Stutters who haven't contributed much yet. I'm null on Lazermonkey and Koshi. Everyone else I'm leaning town.


I have been more active than him, and FAR more active than stutters. This is a sign that he's not really reading the thread. And is not really interested. Also, he had this to say in the QT:

..Probably going to sleep soon, so I may not respond for a while. I like your initial posts. I agree with you about how we should play the game going forward.


Which isn't in direct contradiction with complaining about my activity, but is a slightly different tone than what I'd expect.

I strongly agree that he's someone who should be looked at, but given that he's a capable player and that in nuclear mafia he really picked up activity in day 2 or day 3, I feel he's a bad lynch choice for today. He's also much more active than:

4- Malango

Initially I thought the same as ShiaoPi:
On July 26 2013 01:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that.

Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo


But his latest post here was absolute shit. I feel like policy lynching him because he's dead anti-town weight to the endgame, as he proved it twice. He will likely be my vote.

5 - Sylencia

Really hate his play, "lynch bait" notwithstanding. Must look at filter more carefully.

6 - Koshi

He's mostly here by exclusion. There's the "slip" I noted earlier but that needs to be put in contrast with the rest of his play. TBH I need to look at his filter more carefully as well.




I've been very clear here and hopefully people can find this agreeable.

Right now I'm interested to hear Lazermonkey respond, as it seems I gave his two top scumreads semi-town reads rofl

Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 25 2013 22:35 GMT
#519
On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.

Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.

He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town

If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective.


Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic.
However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post:

On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game.

I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest.
Your stuff is weak.

y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it.
?

Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world.

but there can only be one carrot per monkey.
Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it.
If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no?

There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known.
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.

What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target?

Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town.
Show nested quote +
I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person.

That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting.
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game.

I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest.
Your stuff is weak.


Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate.

I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.


If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT"

In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself.

Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#520
On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey.
Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis?

Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with.

Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
So the part where he is not taking any real stance nor pushing any scum reads is good? Or what are you meaning? Its terribly easy to make sense as scum even moresoe than town because you actually know if you are wrong or right whereas town you have to guess to some extent.

I kinda want to wait with Sylencia, give him one more day. If he doesn't up his posting, I can kill him but right now, I'd rather not kill him.
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