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@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game?
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@Artanis
On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
Can you elaborate your town read on Shiao?
Also, I don't think three votes can hardly be considered a "wagon". I don't like how you back off a bit on your "first suspect" because of a 3-man wagon with 33 hours left to deadline... also, it was Firm that firstly expressed distaste in the vt claim, not rayn:
On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:dude, why you claim?
Tell me more about rayne/tofu.
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On July 25 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote:
raynpelikoneet
1) Hard defening the Kenpachi claim from ShiaoPi. To a point he Rayn votes #ShiaoPi
2) After backing off from ShiaoPi, Rayn thinks FirmTofy is scummy for the reason he was discussing with ShiaoPi. (Kenpachi rule)
3) Getting "killed" by Malongo but not finding it strange that a town player would kill somebody out of the blue. (No pressure from Rayn to Malongo)
4) Leaving the thread with pointing fingers at Sylencia, who I don't find suspicious at all. (Unless Sylencia is a vet and normally finds scum within 12 hours)
Malongo
Killing somebody out of the blue, but then backing off because it was rayn? What's that all about.
lol, did you slip? Why did you call Malong a town player if you think he's scum?
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@Artanis
Why are you dodging my question?? Here it is for you again:
On July 25 2013 04:38 Z-BosoN wrote:@ArtanisShow nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Can you elaborate your town read on Shiao? Also, I don't think three votes can hardly be considered a "wagon". I don't like how you back off a bit on your "first suspect" because of a 3-man wagon with 33 hours left to deadline... also, it was Firm that firstly expressed distaste in the vt claim, not rayn: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:00 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
sup guys. I'm a vt
phoneposting btw dude, why you claim? Tell me more about rayne/tofu.
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Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people:
On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since...
Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like".
I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch?
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Lazermonkey you originally said sylencia was lynchbait and didn't feel compelled to dwelve into him:
On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting.
And thus your vote was on stutters, because he was less of a lynch bait:
On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please!
And then you had an exchange with sylencia and now you feel he's scum, and stutters is of no interest to you anymore.
But you don't want to push sylencia's lynch, saying that you think the lynch will be between FT and Artanis.
Can you be specific as to why you changed your mind on stutters and can you take a stance on sylencia? You are being incredibly wishy-washy on him.
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On July 26 2013 05:44 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote:Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people: On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like.On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like". I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch? It was suposed to be ironic. The only thing I can say about you so far is that you are playing clean. So clean that it looks too good. Im not sure if that makes sense but you're not saying stupid shit which seems deliberatly cobstructed. Unfortunetly its just a feel.
Ah ok, well, I don't want to be lynched neither as townie nor as scum, so for the most part I don't post whatever the fuck comes to mind anymore (even though I used to) 
Can you answer the second part, on who else would you lynch besides artanis?
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On July 26 2013 05:45 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Lazermonkey you originally said sylencia was lynchbait and didn't feel compelled to dwelve into him: On July 25 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hmyhea, Sylencia looks bad. No scum hunting at all. Sadely he is somewhat of a lynch bait. I managed to get him killed D1 once as scum : /. But he really need to step up his posting. And thus your vote was on stutters, because he was less of a lynch bait: On July 25 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm getting tired of this... Half of the game this far is almost entierly useless setup speculation. Sure, FT is looking bad but he is AFK right now. Stutters has 1(!) post where he scum hunts. The rest is setup talk, policy talk, defending some dudes when they were in no danger of getting lynched. And his only post worth of scum hunting is bad. I tell him to talk about something else and he continues to talk policy. My guess is that he is trying to appear contributing. He is also avoiding all conflicts by never taking arguement with anyone.
##unvote
##vote: stutters
Everyone else, give your opinion on stutters please! And then you had an exchange with sylencia and now you feel he's scum, and stutters is of no interest to you anymore. But you don't want to push sylencia's lynch, saying that you think the lynch will be between FT and Artanis. Can you be specific as to why you changed your mind on stutters and can you take a stance on sylencia? You are being incredibly wishy-washy on him. What? You got it all wrong... I never dropped my stutters scum read Lol. Reread my filter. I'm still somewhat suspicious of Sylencia but I'm willing to give him BOTD because he is generally a lynch bait + ShiaoPi says he plays better later on.
Aight.
Checking artanis now
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Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
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On July 26 2013 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p Well, he did just stick out his neck for me.
Look, he stuck his neck out again! and for me!
I hope you are my date tomorrow 
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Since we are getting closer to the deadline, here is how I be feeling this game:
First of all, lynching active people day one is stupid. On the offchance that they are town, it will massively fuck up the end game. Thus, I want town to fuck off concerning these players:
Lazermonkey
Rainbow
ShiaoPi (I'm surprised he's active, he's genrally lurky in d1)
rayn
That being said, here are the people I do not want to lynch because of the town vibes:
Artanis (see end of page 25)
Stutters (see end of this post)
This leaves:
Sylencia
Malango
Koshi
FirmTofu
Dandel Ion
... so who, Z-BosoN? Who? WHO??!?!?!?!
1- Dandel
Dandel had some activity earlier but had to leave. Right now, he's very self-confident of his meta:
On July 25 2013 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:24 Rainbows wrote:Can someone meta me on Dandel? Is he always like this? Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 15:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, @rayne
You seem a little disgruntled that ShiaoPi claimed VT. Why the negative reaction? Because the claim is either stupid or scum. Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... I'm already hard-confirmed town just based on my meta.Deal with it. But I do want to make zboson dead too. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:33 Rainbows wrote:On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:On July 25 2013 01:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
So guys, apparantly I'm masoned with Koshi. I'm interested in this guy and will try to have a nice little chat with him trying to figure out what alignment he is later on today. I'm getting some bad vibes from his play this far. I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead. So you think it's only about the kenpachi? eyo When there is stuff, there is always stuff, you see. Some stuff is stuffier than other stuff but it's never alone. Unless it's not there, you see, but if it's not there it can't be alone either because it's not even there, you see. Artanis is also scum.
And then:
On July 25 2013 05:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
ull notice the difference when u dont have to harddefend me (thx btw) because i wont even be up for lynch because im such an amazing work of art.
my beauty knows no limits.
He continued posting after these posts I quoted with, and actually changed his vote due to the fact he had to leave, last thing he did. This suggests that he's uncertain regarding his vote, despite wanting to appear confident. I view this as a townie trait, as I think a meta-aware scum dandel would most likely insist on his read. Not a strong tell, but I don't want to lynch him.
2- Stutters, right now I'm really not digging his lynch. I've played with him quite a few times before and he's always quiet but makes the occasional decent post.
He's also quite non-chalant. I pressured him with concerns on the fact that he only had Malango as a scum read and nothing else, and he replied with:
On July 25 2013 05:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 04:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game? I think Mal is the best lynch currently. Not really sure otherwise.
Again, not the town read of my dreams, but I want him spared.
3- FirmTofu He's my mason buddy and he is adorable, but to be honest, I feel he has a good chance of being scum. Main post that caught my attention was this:
On July 26 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
@ft: if rayn is removed from the game. who do you want to lynch? Probably Artanis/Malongo/Sylencia. I want to hear more from Z-Boson and Stutters who haven't contributed much yet. I'm null on Lazermonkey and Koshi. Everyone else I'm leaning town.
I have been more active than him, and FAR more active than stutters. This is a sign that he's not really reading the thread. And is not really interested. Also, he had this to say in the QT:
..Probably going to sleep soon, so I may not respond for a while. I like your initial posts. I agree with you about how we should play the game going forward.
Which isn't in direct contradiction with complaining about my activity, but is a slightly different tone than what I'd expect.
I strongly agree that he's someone who should be looked at, but given that he's a capable player and that in nuclear mafia he really picked up activity in day 2 or day 3, I feel he's a bad lynch choice for today. He's also much more active than:
4- Malango
Initially I thought the same as ShiaoPi:
On July 26 2013 01:36 ShiaoPi wrote:
ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that.
Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo
But his latest post here was absolute shit. I feel like policy lynching him because he's dead anti-town weight to the endgame, as he proved it twice. He will likely be my vote.
5 - Sylencia
Really hate his play, "lynch bait" notwithstanding. Must look at filter more carefully.
6 - Koshi
He's mostly here by exclusion. There's the "slip" I noted earlier but that needs to be put in contrast with the rest of his play. TBH I need to look at his filter more carefully as well.
I've been very clear here and hopefully people can find this agreeable.
Right now I'm interested to hear Lazermonkey respond, as it seems I gave his two top scumreads semi-town reads rofl
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On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective.
Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic.
However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post:
On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy.
If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT"
In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself.
Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today.
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On July 26 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are not lynching Artanis or Lazermonkey. Exactly why are we not lynching Artanis? Because he is making sense although his case on you i don't agree with. Can we just kill Sylencia/Koshi? Koshi is definitely most scummy from the active players. He is even himself calling his post terrible... Sylencia & Malongo are just meh and Sylencia just disappeared after he was put some pressure on him. At least Malongo lurks with style, though he is useless.
You know your stuff, dear rayn.
How do you feel about Malongo after reading my post? Killing someone who is clearly anti-town who has a decent chance of being scum is excellent.
I want to propose that if Malongo doesn't show up until deadline with anything useful, we murder him.
Reasons above ^^^^^^
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On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post?
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On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me.
Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier?
Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it?
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Z-boson, you think Koshi and Malango are scum because their play is very bad for town. I can agree with this in some ways. However, a big part of my problems with both Koshi and Malango being scum is that their play is really bonkers if they are scum. Try to analyze their actions from scum PoV and not only town PoV and see if you see what I see!
No, I think Malongo's play is very bad for town, and I haven't read koshi's filter yet.
Like I said, I originially thought Malongo's play to be weird-as-fuck to make from a scum POV.
However, remember Chezinu from nuclear mafia? Nuking MZ,a townie looking dude, for little reason? I thought that same thing, and disregarded any anti-town play coming up from chezinu. You can't base too much off of one action.
What I do know is that Malongo's play is 100% anti-town, and thus town will benefit from killing him, regardless of his alignment. And who knows, he might actually flip scum.
Think gumshoe from Nuclear, WIFOM ninja-voting. I do not regret that lynch. Same logic imo.
I've played in a game once where it ended up with grush and BillMurray (two vets who are pretty trolly and useless) in the endgame, with DarthPunk as scum. It was sad to see town ignore an uncounterclaimed cop's reads leading to the endgame and then losing, despite the game already been solved. Don't you agree, ShiaoPi? (he was the cop)
Anyways, my point is that D1 is likely a mislynch, so lets mislynch someone who we know is bad for town.
This will be the case unless Malongo decides to post and contribute with anything useful.
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On July 26 2013 07:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:41 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 06:47 Koshi wrote:
1. Z-BosoN I don't want to lynch this guy, looks town to me because he didn't tunnel me after my "scumslip". I think scum would put more pressure on me after that.
2. Malongo My current number 1 lynch target. Can we let rayn masonkill him?
3. Stutters695 Really focusing a lot on Malongo. The Stutters in Nuclear didn't do that. I could see him being scum.
4. Artanis[Xp] Came out to play after trolling. yay. Can't be serious about lynching Lazer right?
5. Dandel Ion He looks like he tries to figure out the game between the trolling.
6. Raynpelikoneet I don't like you this game rayn. All the rambling about the Kenpachi rule and then saying FT is scum for that reason. I am somewhat surprised you are not killing Malongo. Why are you so afraid?
7. ShiaoPi Looks like a good addition to town. Kept his cool when I was being a drama queen. I like.
8. Rainbows Rainbows are magic. I loved our policy, we had a moment there. Wouldn't lynch.
9. Koshi Yeah... This guy is not looking too good. lynching him will make town disappointed. But not too disappointed.
10. FirmTofu Looks town. Speaks his mind. Want to see more on Day 2.
11. Lazermonkey Superactive. Agressive. Controlling. Never lynch, never surrender.
12. Sylencia I don't understand why people want to lynch lazer. Do not understand.
Koshi, can you comment more on FirmTofu, especially given my last big post? Contradicting yourself is something you easily do as town when you don't have clear reads. First you think somebody is scummy, then he makes a couple good posts and suddenly you are a town read. Overall I do like FT his filter. @rayn. Put your vote on me if you like. Why are you so scared? Put it down and stop soft pointing at me.
That's not the main point I want you to respond to. He's not contradicting himself. It's hints that he is not reading the thread and the changes of tonality in his views on me.
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On July 26 2013 08:04 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 07:47 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:41 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 07:35 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 26 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town.
Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out.
He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum.
Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread.
Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town
If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread
Look at Artanis play this far though. His vote on me is the first time he sticks his neck out what so ever. He basically haven't taken a conflict before this. Like Rayn said earlier, sure attacking easy targets are easy in the short perspective but in the long run, attacking more vocal players will probably be more effective. Well, attacking vocal players is more effective if you go by my logic. However, he sounded flimsy as fuck in this post: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. If he is scum, this is textbook definition of "OMG I'M NOT STICKING MY NECK OUT" In this same demeanor, it's hard to imagine a scum artanis to randomly say that you are scum and thus do the exact opposite: draw attention to himself. Since I don't have much to work with day 1, it's a small tell, but I feel he's a bad lynch for today. There is a diference though, when he made the flimsy post he wasn't being pressured. He then got called out for being very wish-washy and not scum hunting. THEN he starts to scum hunt and not being flimsy. My guess is that he wanted to show some balls by attacking me. Well that kind of makes sense, but why didn't he antagonize Rainbow, as he was the first one to oppress artanis? If he wanted to show balls, why not do it earlier? Also, what of my bit on stutters, do you agree on it? I can think of several diferent reasons but I don't think it matters too much, I can't speak for Artanis. No I still really dislike him. And I find it even more interesting that he goes away RIGHT when swaped over to Artanis. Also, think of this: Look at stutters filter and take note of his recent activity. He is really arguing HARD with me. he says I'm really scummy and that he is really considering voting me. But WHERE is his vote? on Malango, and it still is? but what does he do with it? Jack shit. And then he just leaves it there. Stutters is not interested in finding scum. Actually, I think I can kill stutters instead. Someone else wantie?
You're gonna have to be much more specific than that dude on him.
It sounds more like you are angry at him rather than you think he's scum. All you said here is he is arguing hard against you, and yet his vote is not on you. I think you should be looking at the quality of his arguments. Do you agree with them? Are they logical or is he bullshitting?
Stutters lurks as town and is very low on activity, normally, with the occasional good post. IMO his points against you don't look too bad, but I want to see if you think the same or not
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On July 26 2013 08:09 Koshi wrote:
So. No clear lynch target? Got to go to bed now D:
Think I will leave my vote on Artanis. Came out to play only once, and he did so by attacking Lazer, meh, I don't like it.
Wtf?? This post of yours came AFTER he attacked lazer:
On July 26 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:
Agreed. I like it that Artanis came out to play. So much more fun.
So. Let's find another target. I think I will be petty and look at rayn and Malongo for repeatedly trying to shift focus to me. Not that I can blame them, I am looking pretty bad.
I still got a bad feeling about that whole shooting/not shooting thingie.
Are you scared to push your own reads or something?
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