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Hmm, Artanis is interesting. The only guys he ever took a stance on were Rayn and Tofu. But he doesn't push them at all nor does he seem to be very confident in his reads (Rainbows had a post explaining this, won't go in detail). He also has a few troll posts which I will ignore. But what really caught my eyes is how many times he is interacting with players, dissmissing their arguments yet not taking a stance on them...
On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. Show nested quote +I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 25 2013 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. If pressuring without voting is scummy then you're looking pretty scummy according to your own logic. You should probably get that logic checked out. I want to hear Malongo talk about things that aren't about speed dating pairings. Dandel is probably town but my feelings are hurt that he called me scum. I'm sad now. All these times he clearly disagrees with said player, yet he is very reluctant to be taking an actual stance on the player. If he would think that these players are town, then I don't really see any problem with these posts because then he could be leading the thread in the right direction. But he doesn't have a town read on them, at least not that we know of.
I'm a bit torn on Artanis right now. He looks somewhat bad though I don't think I want to lynch him.
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Sylencia, you are basically voting my based upon a single post, correct? And the reason you do this is because you agree with my logic, correct? I don't feel like explaining why I am right and you are wrong for the seventh time. If you really are town, check my filter and you will understand that I have already answered your questions and suspicions. But disregarding that, how does me disagreeing with you make me scum? You don't explain this at all.
Also, there are alot of guys agreeing with my logic here which you even point out yourself. Why is it that I am scummy but not them? Do you seriously think scum would be the one to start the "suicidal and very stupid plan" and that a bunch of townies just sheeped it. Because I would actually argue its the other way around. Scum are very afraid of saying stuff that could cause them to look bad, like a "suicidal and very stupid plan", however if a plan like that is started by a townie then they could very well be sheeping that.
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To Malongo and Dandel, could you maybe explain your votes? I looked through your filters but I seriousl don't understand you guys voted who you voted...
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##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad.
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Also we need more content here. The only person who looks town to me atm is Lazer. Everyone else is either useless or scummy or both. Please post more. Especially i would like Artanis & Dandel to actually give us some analysis instead of jerking off with each other...
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^ hey this works both @rayn and @lazer
neato
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I'm pretty sure you haven't.
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Sure I have.
Artanis wants to make both monkeys dead even though only one can have actually eaten the carrot.
He doesn't even try to find out which ate the carrot.
That is because Artanis is a carrot farmer at night and can throw carrots at people.
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that is abundantly clear from my filter.
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On July 25 2013 13:47 Rainbows wrote:
Hey guys we should lynch Artanis today. He looks blendy as fuck today and seems to be going along with thread sentiment as it appears. He hasn't done much of use.
I think that's a terrible idea.
Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate.
I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie. He says he's good with both lynches due to Kenpachi. Fine, but where's the support? He has not pressured either of his so-called scumreads this game. Most of his 1-page filter is trolling with Dandel. Aside from that, he gives a few questions...
Not true, the last post you quoted me in had some pressure in it.
Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 25 2013 00:53 Stutters695 wrote:
I fell for the Kenpachi rule like 5 times. How do you fall for that five times? What? Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum? The first is meh. The second is a valid question but I haven't seen any follow up on it. It's like he doesn't even care.
The first was just my unbelief at falling for the same trick twice. The second would have a follow up if he answered yes, but he answered no so I didn't pursue it. I checked to see his original post but he didn't strongly call Shiao scum for it, just noted that it was odd so I let it go.
This is Artanis' most significant post of this game: Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. y two not one if two are two one is more likely to be half of it. ? Because if one were two then four would be divided by carrot and that would implode the world. but there can only be one carrot per monkey. Why would there be two carrots, I only see one, and only one will get it. If two try, they have to be different monkeys, no? There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. On July 24 2013 23:00 Koshi wrote:
Second thought.
What if the Kenpachi rule is started by scum? Or scum is finding FT a fitting target? Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. I am also not a big fan of using this tactic to destroy all conversation day 1, or redirect it on 1 person. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Artanis defends Shaio as town (fine). The bolded is absolute waffle-mode engaged. "I don't think they're both scum, probably at least one. Firm is my top suspect, but not really because a wagon formed very quickly"
Not at least one, probably one. And yes, when three people vote for one person this early in the game I suspect something to be off.
I have no idea who Artanis suspects the most here. He says Rayn and Firm are scum because Kenpachi... But only one is probably scum. Firm is most suspicious but he doesn't like how quickly the wagon formed (supposedly town?).
I dunno who I strongly suspect right now either. I'm gonna give Rayn another look since I like Firm right now though that might just be because he has posted a lot and I cba to read through it properly.
So far the only thing Artanis has done this game is call Shaio probably town and finger point at Rayn and Firm cus Kenpachi. This dude needs to step it up yo.
Vote: Artanis
That's not true, I called Dandel probably town too even though he's being mean to me.
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Also I should probably look at Sylencia too but he's my mason buddy and our qt is so comfy that I don't want to start arguments 
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Okay looks like Rayn is still alive and malango's shot was either fake or the recall was accepted.
Not sure what to make of that right now.
@Zboson:
Rayn is still scummy to a certain degree, I initially thought him more scummier than tofu, but thought he would be dead already so I voted FT. Now I am of the opinion that a FT lynch is actually pretty good.
Let's examine FT a little further, especially the posts he did when he came back.
First off the defense in regards to his reaction to the VT claim:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2013 06:45 FirmTofu wrote:
I have no idea what this Kenpachi rule is but it is clearly a terrible way to find scum because I am town.
I'm going to explain exactly why I didn't like ShiaoPi's VT claim. You can decide whether my reasoning is scummy but don't give me this bullshit "Kenpachi rule" to justify your suspicions.
Why Claiming VT As Town Is Bad
Alright, so we are assuming the claimer is town. Great. Why is this bad play? Let me explain.
There are two situations possible if you are town.
You are either:
1) Blue claiming VT
2) VT claiming VT
1-> I think we can all agree that blue claiming VT is a terrible idea. It introduces unnecessary confusion in the town and serves no purpose.
2-> This is a little more debatable. Let's assume for a second that claiming VT as VT is a good play. If it was good, then everyone should agree that all VTs should claim VT, right?
Okay, let's play out what happens when all VT's claim VT.
Assuming some sort of balance with 6VT, 3Blue, 3Scum... we will have 6 VT claiming VT. However, this forces scum into a decision point. Do they claim VT or remain unclaimed?
If they choose to remain unclaimed, they would be associating themselves with the 3 blues. If they claim VT, they would be associating themselves with the VTs. Town would be subject to a mass roleclaim and it would be impossible to discern alignments because scum could have just as easily fakeclaimed into either grouping.
Town learns absolutely nothing and scum would easily be able to pick out the blues one by one while hiding in a sea of VTs barring fake roleclaims from town.
If you agree with this scenario, you must agree that claiming VT as VT is not good town play.
I really disagree with a lot of those points. First off it is mainly arguing from setup speculation. He does not say anything about the fact that a vt claim like I did is pretty much a throwaway thing and null.
Now in regards to his scumhunting post: On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:
A few things I don't like.
1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him.
2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP?
3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me.
4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on.
5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying.
1) explained it above already
2) It is rather obvious that Lazer thinks FT scummy so it is logical that Lazer is going after a scumleaning read instead of a null one??
3) Rayn is a scummy guy, we can agree on that.
4)This is something FT himself is guilty off, when you go through his posts later. He is pressuring but votes nobody.
5) I am not really a great fan of meta but this pretty much says that dandel is town.
That is his entire contribution for day 1 until now. Not very impressive, and these 5 points are all he got out from this thread?
Especially the point on Artanis really rubs me in a bad way. FT is scum, go kill him!
Somebody else who really got my attention was Rainbows.
He completely derails the thread with his policytalk (together with Koshi). My point on the proposed doublelynch is that it is not feasibly since you cannot assume that everyone will cooperate, so basically it is just a huge waste of time and might be a good thing for scum to appear contributing, while not actually doing so. Also the exchange he had with Dandel regarding his reads struck me as terribly scummy.....
Finally his case on artanis is weird. It feels forced and is not really convincing (at least to me). WHile it is true that artanis has not been one of the more vocal persons in thread I don't see anything lynchworthy right now. What is also interesting is that he has not commented on rayn or FT besides a I dont like the FT wagon.
Let me summarize a bit:
For day 1 I am interested in lynching into one of these: FT, Rainbows, Rayn. Would be most happy with a FT lynch.
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On July 25 2013 19:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sylencia, you are basically voting my based upon a single post, correct? And the reason you do this is because you agree with my logic, correct? I don't feel like explaining why I am right and you are wrong for the seventh time. If you really are town, check my filter and you will understand that I have already answered your questions and suspicions. But disregarding that, how does me disagreeing with you make me scum? You don't explain this at all.
Also, there are alot of guys agreeing with my logic here which you even point out yourself. Why is it that I am scummy but not them? Do you seriously think scum would be the one to start the "suicidal and very stupid plan" and that a bunch of townies just sheeped it. Because I would actually argue its the other way around. Scum are very afraid of saying stuff that could cause them to look bad, like a "suicidal and very stupid plan", however if a plan like that is started by a townie then they could very well be sheeping that.
I've already read it, and I explained how the post is literally setup to help scum. The reason why people agree is because it sounds sensible. Someone's about to die, and so they'll take the shot because they think their partner is scum. Sounds great in theory, but if you think about how it's done in practice it's a crappy idea.
Also, plans aren't about how suicidal they are, it's about how well you can sell the idea. It's the same with pushing for a lynch - if you're convincing enough you'll push the wagon all the way and everyone will hop on. In any case, completely brushing off the possibility that one team can perform an action because it's high risk is silly, I prefer to keep an open mind about things.
On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad.
Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game.
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Only setup speculation. He has not done anything else in the whole game. ANYTHING ELSE, and it's been over a day since the game started. He is not interested in finding mafia. Only thing that comes even close to scumhunting is his case against Lazer, which is one big assumtion and bad. Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game.
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I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
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I've just gone through everyone's filters. I don't really like Artanis for trying to appear pseudo-useful but I don't think I can make a strong case against him. Lazer's logic is iffy to me but ultimately, I have to admit that his actions could have come from a town perspective as well. I'm null on rayn as well.
I'm currently don't like Sylencia very much.
On July 24 2013 23:46 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 24 2013 21:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Artanis, do you even have anything relevant to say? Your only not-troll comment was towards Malongo basically telling him his arguments was bad, yet not taking a stance on what you thought about him or anyone else in the game. I said Rayn and Firm are scum because kenpachi gambit. That's two scum already. You guys can find the rest. Your stuff is weak. Having 2 people fall for the same gambit in such a short period seems quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure rayn has been in a game with an attempted Kenpachi gambit anyways so he would know better than to fall for it along with his teammate. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2013 22:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
@rayn:
We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing.
Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? FirmTofu or Sylencia. Explain thx. Also, Artanis is my current partner (don't think he mentioned it)
Bolded relevant.
On July 24 2013 23:57 Sylencia wrote:
Oh wait, we weren't supposed to reveal? I thought the opposite was better - what am I missing =|
On July 25 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it.
Where I stand:
People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that.
People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly.
People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. Oh, I was under the assumption that the last point was kinda being followed. I also thought the reasoning was horrible to start, but I now completely understand that blue death will cause those linked to them to be targetted fast in the case information was given out.
I find the last quote very scummy. Sylencia admits the reasoning is horrible but was under the impression that she should be following it? If she thought the reasoning was bad, she should have been questioning me and calling me out on it. That's what I would expect town to do. Scum, on the other hand, would sit back and wait for a town consensus. He also did exactly what I said we shouldn't be doing, so there's that.
I still don't have very strong scumreads and it is becoming frustrating. I'm going to run through the filters again and pick someone. I would like to hear from Sylencia first.
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On July 26 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm leaving for today and will 99% miss the deadline and shit.
Throwing my substantial abilities of premonition into the future, I predict a lynch on Firmtofu, so I'm preemptively sheeping a wagon that's not being consolidated yet, but should be, because CONSOLIDATE YOU MORONS
thanks.
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##Vote FirmTofu
We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon.
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FT my man, I have been wrong in the past. I will make it up with you today by sheeping your vote. I would you to put it on Artanis though. But w.e.
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