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On July 26 2013 01:27 getmoript wrote: Unsure if I'll be back. Can be on 8-9ish from now, but ... you may have stuff.I do but I about to head to lunch for my b-day. Maybe in 4-5 hours? | ||
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Rolecop seems like an odd role for a closed setup. Especially if cora claims he didn't know he was a rolecop, and got back detective on himself. Like...if HE didn't understand what his role was exactly, getting a rolecop check that says "detective" (the role that wasn't clear in the first place) is...not helpful? At all. As in, he apparently only knows he's a rolecop because he checked himself, but he didn't understand that he was a rolecop and wouldn't have except that his check came back with his role. That seems wonky. I also don't terribly understand the need for a rolecop town side if we have a regular cop. Yes, we might have sanity issues, but that's PURE speculation right now, and the rolecop specifically is kinda funky. I know before I said it was a bad fakeclaim for scum, and I still feel that way. But I don't think a rolecop is a bad role for scum in general, especially if scum has a roleblocker. Rolecop helps figure out townie roles for the blocker to block. TG still probably scum, imo. Nothing has changed the fact he hit x-1. He got there because of posts that were scummy, imo, strike one. He didn't get lynched despite being 1 vote away, strike two. The roleblock is kinda strike three. It's a big old pile of WIFOM if you want to mess with it, but the fact is that TG has done more than just get roleblocked. Looked at in the context of the rest of the game, it doesn't unscummy him. Looked at in context, I shade the WIFOM game towards him being scum and being fake RBed for cred. Don't sleep on FiveTouch. Marv can play a perfectly townie looking scum game. So can VE. Two people can be quite active. I also wouldn't trust DT checks on him, and think he's a bad check target, given that some games allow you to assign GF role if there is one, and I'd expect a scum team to plop it in their hands. If 5T isn't dead in 2-3 nights, he needs lynching. People will balk at that, but it's true. Do not leave him for endgame. I dislike jrkirby's answers to some of my questions last night, but again, I think that makes him slightly townie in my eyes. He's somewhat connected to TG's alignment, as is Onegu, but he was so willing to give answers that felt really wrong to me (TG scumhunted D1 when he never posted any scumhunting til 45 minutes before deadline, and even then it was just two basic reads on people that had been talked about plenty), that I don't really see him for scum. Scum probably takes a little more care in answering questions like that or saying things like that, rather than calling some dude town based on super super wonky reasons (Which, damnit, is something I like looking for, and if TG is town then maybe makes jrkirby look weird for it but then jrkirby chose not to lynch so...ugh). Whatever, I got a townie feeling on him. HAS ANYONE READ OATSMASTER'S D3? GO AND READ IT. READ D3 and N3. I still see him putting 0 effort into actually scumhunting. He's throwing a bunch of questions around, but not really doing anything with any of them, and he's just entirely peripheral. I don't care if he wanted to be lazy D1, didn't want to put in effort, whatever. He basically did the same D3, except for poking at people for no reason. Look at his questions and watch for followup: he asks 5T about whether TG is scum if he was actually roleblocked, didn't read the whole discussion on that, doesn't go and find it, absolutely never ever ever ever ever follows up on that bit. He swaps over to playing with cora, but then concludes nothing about cora (Despite noting that rolecop was often a scum role earlier in the day and calling cora a scum rolecop, he's entirely alignment-neutral when just poking at him later during this night phase). | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:38 getmoript wrote: Yes. Pew! Pew pew pew!@Austin... you around? | ||
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steel cut oats. HAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK BUT I WISH IT DID. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: You've got a span of 5-6 posts on cora, a wtf, calling his wording in a post "careful", calling him uncommital. Often, careful/uncommital might indicate you think someone is scummy. I'd consider those poking within the game, given they're often indicia of a specific read.austin scum. SHOOT HIM! VE is not capable of being active as scum. Why are you blatantly lying Austin? Day 3, who was there? None of my scum reads. Austin is super capable of posting long posts as scum. I dont know about cora actually, he made me laugh so thats a towntell. I have no idea where you are going with the 'concludes nothing' considering I didnt even poke him. I didnt follow up on the TG RB thing because there is no way to know if scum RB'ed him or he is scum and they withheld the RB to claim it on him. You see how there is nothing to conclude? If there's nothing to conclude about TG's RB, then there's nothing to ASK. You asked marv whether scum RBing TG made TG still scum. You asked him to point out the posts where this was discussed. But if there's no conclusion to be drawn, there was a never a question to be asked. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:56 getmoript wrote: I think I do, but am always wary with marv. Beyond the basic stuff that rubbed me wrong with marv refusing to read some posts, I just...don't like how their TG read was formed entirely on the roleblock bit which is pure WIFOM, and almost not influenced by posts at all. I don't like how marv notes that TG ending D1 at x-1 votes is the strongest point in favor of him being scum when we were arguing the RB, because...him ending x-1 is sort of a defining point about D1 in general and ought to play into reads.I wanted to make some points on Marv/VE, but honestly I trust them. The only point that you should even consider lynching Marv/VE is if their preferred lynches for the next 2 days are both town, then they're possibly scum. But honestly I'm not seeing it. Marv/VE both supported my TAA push a few times when he easily could've diverted a few different ways. They're both good enough to do that. I consider them obv town, far moreso than austin. If anything, considering lynching them at LYLO but not before... Speak of LYLO. Onegu. Let me repeat myself. DO NOT SHOOT. DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT. DON'T SHOOT TOMMORROW. DON'T SHOOT PERIOD. It just feels like some of 5T's reads are ... somewhat opportunistic. I am interpreting things like that in light of some other reads, and if other reads don't play out like I think they will then 5T isn't as much a worry. But he went straight to townie on oats, went to townie on TG. It's not even all his reads though, as we seem to be somewhat in agreement on FirmTofu. I don't think being willing to call scumbuddies scummy if they warrant it is something that scum 5T wouldn't do. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:57 getmoript wrote: Nah.@austin. Do you agree with not shooting now, not shooting ever? If not why not? I think that overuse of town KP can be bad, as seen somewhat in Nuclear and PTP and a buncha other games. But in this case, town isn't popping off a buncha folks. We've allegedly got one vigi, and barring this actually being a SK claiming vigi super early on which seems like a bad idea. So given that we're not going to blow away a BUNCHA townies, and are unlikely to lose a power role as we've had a bunch claimed already, I like the idea of a shot. We have enough ?s, and some of the ?s (who are totes mcgotes mafia) inform other ?s. I think firing at scummy guy, getting rid of a lynch option and getting more information, is worth the chance of a townie dying. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:03 getmoript wrote: The towniest townies, or the townies really figuring things out, are gonna get shot. Pow pow dead.No. Accepting a No Lynch means that Scum get to control who gets shot; which means the towniest person in the thread who had 0 chance of being lynched gets gone. The more kills they inform and the more flips they see, the more information they have to work with. It's not the biggest advantage ever, but I'd like super townie people to have more info and hopefully a smaller scum team to hunt down before they die. Reading that, it sounds dumber than it did in my head, but ... whatever. I like shooting dem mans so long as we're not talking about 1/2 the game getting shot. | ||
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I don't think this is a case of a vigi going off half-cocked. I don't love the idea of 100% saying hold the shot a day, but holding a fake double lynch is fine by me. I'd honestly rather have 3 KP and more informed lynches earlier than 3 KP spread out and going towards lategame, where lynches sometimes get...lazy/suboptimal. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:38 Onegu wrote: Should be 2:20 from now.When is deadline? | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:43 FiveTouch wrote: This deserves a slow clap AND a picture of the "you think this is a game?" cat. Unfortunately, it's a game, so ... the message gets a bit confused.I liked it so much I'm not gonna read it TG. I liked it so much that you're town based on its existence alone, so there's no need to read it. | ||
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(1) I don't think the setup was imba. We had a 3 man scum team, a scum vigi instead of a 3P source of KP or something, and a very, very strong town team imo. I actually really think that having a hydra, let alone two, town-side, balances out any possible imbalance because we've essentially got bonus townies AND space to discuss things where scum can't see them. (2) Cora, you got a wonky result. I wish you'd either checked with hosts as to what was going on OR posted something specific to thread about your PM. The result you got was wrong, but could have been corrected. | ||
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If someone says they can't really post, are away from thread, due to a death in the family, and they're not a giant asshat, that means...you just take them at their word? Or does it actually make them town? I was really worried that saying anything specific about why I needed to be gone would end in me being town, and so felt like I had to err on the side of replacing rather than possibly getting super duper townie points for something outside of the game. | ||
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