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On July 25 2013 07:41 FiveTouch wrote:
So you attack me for not believing one theory over another, I completely destroy the argument you're proposing I should believe in, then you just abandon it because you don't wanna clog?
Ok dear. I disagree that you destroyed the argument. I think that maybe scum screwed up and RBed a guy who claimed VT, or maybe scum screwed up and RBed one of their own guys for distance even though he'd claimed VT. As far as other benefits about making people believe things, that's entirely speculative and I don't think anyone would RB to maybe get 2 people to possibly believe something IF they happened to think this one way over just RBing someone and hoping you stopped a blue.
For example, if what cora and I believe is so so so so silly, then doing something so that cora and I tie two people together is EQUALLY silly, that's the flaw in the tying-people-together argument. You think what we're doing is silly, yet you're saying scum might do something to get that result. You're saying scum took a weird action HOPING that people did something you think is silly.
On July 25 2013 07:44 FiveTouch wrote:
Thing is austin, it's not even that I'm certain about TG being town or anything, I just resent being attacked for not playing "decent" or believing something I shouldn't when the attacks are bogus, or whatever else you were throwing at me.
You or VE voted for someone yesterday. Without knowing why the wagon on them existed, seemingly, and without you having read over their stuff towards the end of the day. Sorry, but voting for people without reading them is not something I consider solid play. Even if you weren't around, arguing about someone's alignment without reading them, or at the very least a subset of posts that led them to get a number of votes, is not something I consider solid play.
On July 25 2013 07:47 FiveTouch wrote:
Because the thing is (sorry, my mind's whirring), you've attacked me more than once for basing something on "scum are dumb".
You think scum faked a roleblock on a scumbuddy who already claimed VT. That would fall pretty heavily under "dumb", but it's what you're basing your argument around.
See the problem here? No. I attack you for using "scum are dumb" as a basis for something because I think that either you consider NO dumb stuff or you have to consider LOTS of dumb stuff. The moment you're willing to patch over a hole in something by saying "maybe someone did something dumb," then you have to look at all the other holes that can be patched over by "maybe someone did something dumb." The moment you're willing to use someone doing something dumb to justify a conclusion, you kind of have to take stock of a number of other conclusions that are possible/likely so long as someone did something dumb.
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We can chat post-game if you're town.
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On July 25 2013 08:03 FiveTouch wrote:
Just deleted a load of non-helpful crap that went here.
Answer me this at least: if TAA had just withered and died without claiming, would that make TG look better or worse? because as far as I can see, you think it makes TG look worse, right? In all honesty, I don't do really think anything of TAA's claim. The moment he responded to getmoript's DT check claim, he became scum.
If he flips RB, then I think it's more likely that this is "use an ability on scum for distance" than not, so it makes TG look a little worse.
But TG mainly looks bad because he ended the day at x-1 and got a lot of those votes because his D1 actually reads scummy to me. Like, claim aside, his posts were scummy to me. And given that he started picking up votes with a couple hours to spare, and ended x-1, I would expect scum to pop in and lynch him if he were town. A no lynch is fine for them, but they passed up a dead townie if he's town, plus any incremental value of making me/others look scummy for lynching him. Nor do I think you're gonna pick up a bunch of scrutiny when everyone is clamoring for this guy to be lynched and begging people who haven't even read thread to vote him and lynch him.
I don't think TAA's claim really does much either way to the alignment.
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Like, that's a thing. He ended x-1. If you think he's town, then either:
(1) scum was already all up on dat lynch
(2) scum was worried about being the hammer
Everyone was so upset about low involvement, about having a no lynch, that I don't think scum needed to be worried about hammering.
On July 22 2013 14:49 phagga wrote:VOTE COUNT: getmoript (1) FiveTouch, TheAwesomeAllJarJarDrinks (0) getmoript, TanGengTheAwesomeAll (0) getmoriptFirmTofu (2) raynpelikoneet, JarJarDrinks, TanGengOatsmaster (1) FirmTofu, Austinmcc, jrkirby, getmoriptTanGeng (5) FirmTofu, getmoript, austinmcc, FiveTouch, JarJarDrinksNot Voting: (3) Oatsmaster, Zephirdd, DoctorHelvetica Lynch is in 10 Minutes. Voting is mandatory.
With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch.
Currently Noone is set to be lynched!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. Like, I'm town, I think getmoript is town, I'm not entirely sure about you. You don't seem to think I'm scum, just stupid here, and you don't seem to think getmoript is scum. If TG is town, then wouldn't you expect FirmTofu or JarJarDrinks or BOTH to be scum? Otherwise scum just chose not to put a single person on a town lynch and not drop the hammer?
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Oats also voted, I pulled the next-to-last votecount.
One second on finding when people left thread.
TAA left 6:20 before lynch.
jrkirby checked in with less than 2 hours to lynch, by the time I'd already started pestering and pushing TG:On July 22 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote:
So are people saying oats behavior is his standard behavior? Because I' also not loving TG, and if his filter checks scum to me, I might vote for him instead. Poking began 5 hours before lynch, and at the point jrkirby posted this,TG had picked up one vote, with me not voting yet but being clearly scummy on TG, and getmoript voting like 10 minutes after this post.
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On July 25 2013 08:25 getmoript wrote:
Yah, I thought about that. I don't want to get too wrapped up in it. I've been thinking about a number of situations. Like, assume I'm paranoid/insane for a second, then it makes perfect sense to have rolecop and vigilante as town; quite possibly we could even have a town RB. It could just be terribly a terribly ironic situation that unfolded. In all honesty, if you're paranoid, I'll still be surprised if TAA flips town.
Like, regardless of whether the check is trustworthy, the reaction to the check ...
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IT'S LIKE RAY-YA-YAIIIIIIIIIIIIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY
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Yeah. It almost feels like we can't quite draw as much from jrkirby's absence/lack of read/lack of vote given that absence is sort of his deal right now, but it's something.
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jrkirby, if every player in the game was a panda, which two pandas would you mate together to save the panda species and why? (Hydras count as one panda)
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On July 25 2013 10:01 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
jrkirby, if every player in the game was a panda, which two pandas would you mate together to save the panda species and why? (Hydras count as one panda) WTF is up with these animal metaphors? Are you asking which people I think are on the same team? No. If they were pandas, which two would you mate.
If you only want to mate same-team pandas, that's fine, it's part of the why.
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jrkirby, you're ducking the panda question.
Also, you left off last night right before lynch saying you'd look into TG. Did you ever do so? Either way, talk a wittle bit about TG please.
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On July 25 2013 11:55 jrkirby wrote:
Honestly, I'm leaning a bit towards town on him right now. Although I would have considered lynching him if I had the chance day 1, not much of his day 1 filter is that terrible. Honestly I don't think the day 1 case on him was really all that great, but then, it's really rare to have a great day 1 case that has any chance of going through.
If I looked at this game from an objective standpoint (if I were obs), the only reason I'd think he's scum is if I were scum, because of how the day 1 votes turned out. Unfortunately, the rest of the town doesn't know I'm not scum, but I do. Also, depending on how things turn out with flips of TAA, and who the roleblocker is, I might change my mind. But as of now, I don't think he's any more suspicious than, say, jarjardrinks.
(jarjardrinks didn't claim anything, did he? I remember reading something about that, but I don't recall if that was just speculation or something) What in particular is "not terrible"? Which posts make you think he's townie, and are there posts that look scummy from D1, but don't overwhelm the townie posts?
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I really dislike this answer, but unsure if I don't like it in a scummy way.
On July 25 2013 12:08 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 13:35 TanGeng wrote:
Don't lynch me. It really was trying to stir up some activity. I'm trying to help out town and austin just jumped all over me. These are both bad posts from day 1. But he did try scumhunting day 1 a bit, and usually the town's day 1 reads are bad. Thus because the town BW him on day 1, I think there's a decent chance he's town. Saying that he's scum kinda implies that scum were either bussing him and failed, or they somehow knew me and DrH wouldn't switch onto him. Since I don't currently have a scumread on onegu, and I know that I'm town, I feel that it's unlikely that TG is scum. Those are two bad posts from him, okay.
But you said his filter isn't terrible, and that he tried scumhunting on D1 some. Where are the non-terrible posts or the scumhunting?
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Does it not trouble you that that post was with 45 minutes to deadline?
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Okeedoke. Thanks for the answers.
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On July 25 2013 15:55 getmoript wrote:
@Austin. I have a question for you whenever we're both on again. You best be on tomorrow. BTW, It's my birthday friday, so Scum I would appreciate if you'd let me live one more day so that I can solve this game on my birthday. I'm around-ish for a couple hours now, and then around later tonight (eastern) before deadline. I also really wanted to claim medic protecting you just to play the WIFOM game, but maybe I'm claiming it now. Suck it, scum, maybe getmoript is protected.
Whatup? Or do I need to clear a block of time and be around to discuss rather than just get a question fired?
On July 25 2013 22:04 Onegu wrote:
Honestly guys for me its
1 jrkirby
2 jrkirby
3 jrkirby
4 firm
5 TG
Like to discuss this more with geript and WoS as they are closest thing to confirmed town at this point. Austins thoughts would be welcome also.
Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine.
I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum.
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On July 25 2013 23:38 FiveTouch wrote:
You're missing the alternative explanation, austin - kirby is scum and knows TG is town, and is bullshitting a read because he knows his alignment. Scum do that you know. Nah, I'm not missing it. But I think TG is mafia. I know that's an option, but it doesn't fit into my worldview right now.
It's one reason I'd prefer a shot on TG to kirby though. If TG DOES flip town, kirby looks scummy for his posts. However, if TG flips mafia, kirby unlikely to be mafia IMO.
Gets us a flip on a dude who I think is scummy AND informs us about another dude who is scummy.
Maybe I just want to be right too 
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On July 25 2013 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
jrkirby could be bad scum austin
Sorry oats, but marv has gotten enough douchey sarcasm from me this game, and I feel a bit frisky this morning.
WELL SLAP MY ASS AND CALL ME CHARLIE. I forgot that he could also be bad scum. Heck, he could be third, fourth, fifth party. He might be a co-host. I might live in Antartica. There's a whole lot of things that could be, and I'm ever so thankful that you pointed them out. (Sorry, this is typed with giggles and not angry eyebrows)
But, all in all, I just find it far more likely that TG is scum, which makes jrkirby slightly townier in my eyes, not bad scummier.
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On July 25 2013 23:42 FiveTouch wrote:But austin, you're never right when we have these battles  Hmmmm. I feel like sometimes we've BOTH been right. I might or might not be imagining those?
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On July 25 2013 23:51 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:48 austinmcc wrote:On July 25 2013 23:42 FiveTouch wrote:But austin, you're never right when we have these battles Hmmmm. I feel like sometimes we've BOTH been right. I might or might not be imagining those? I can't remember an instance. But I'm sure it must have happened. Probably. I wouldn't begrudge you being right in this instance, I just think you're wrong. I think TG's posts are townier than jrkirby's. We'll see. Cough. Cough cough. You cool with the vote post and the reads/scumhunting on D1?
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