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Honestly, this reminds me of times where someone reacts INCREDIBLY WEIRD/WRONG to a claim, and then ends up being town but we killify them because ... nobody can understand what they were going on about. There was a game where mattchew claimed self-aware miller on D1 when millers weren't self-aware. He got lynched, flipped scum.
Someone spent a long time either arguing that he wasn't definitely scum or ... something else, calling other people out, not understanding why fake claiming a thing that didn't exist was just a 100% scum tell. It was such a huge distraction and he was so adamant that he was right that I ended up vigging him N1 because I could not believe he was town.
Turns out, he was town. We were all scummy on him because he made no sense regarding a claim, but it doesn't make sense to make no sense as mafia when confronted with a claim. It's just not the way to go about trying to save a scumbuddy.
So right now I'm unsure, will look over his filter a couple times tomorrow and wait for this flip.
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Scum inherently knows they're scum. You get called out when you're scum, especially if you aren't used to it, and your mindset is "Oh crap, I got caught." It's terrible scum play, yes, but it's a product of you KNOWING you're scum, KNOWING a check is real.
Just because it isn't good scum play doesn't mean it's not human nature. It's FAR more likely to come from scum because of mindset.
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On July 24 2013 22:12 cDgCorazon wrote:Cause I figured I could catch up to the game. But I can't. And now none of my opinions matter because I've already claimed and you are all going to vote for me if TAA flips scum so... Don't currently find you scummy. Don't think there was ever a moment in which everyone was going to lynch you after TAA.
On July 24 2013 22:47 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 24 2013 22:42 FiveTouch wrote:
I think scum are very likely to have a roleblocker. I thought we pretty much established that scum blocking TG made no sense and had to be town. The fact that there was only one roleblock (unless someone hasn't spoke up) makes it very unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker. Apparently you haven't been reading VE's posts? With the number of blues running around (maybe one is fake, dunno yet) with potentially more hidden away within our ranks, scum not having a roleblocker would be a massive balance issue. Simplest, and most likely correct, explanation is that mafia have a roleblocker and roleblocked Tangeng because they dumb In a closed setup with a claimed RB on a guy who almost got lynched and then claimed vt during the night, I don't like this conclusion. When your simplest explanation relies on people being dumb, then it opens up LOTS of possibilities. Maybe scum RBed TG because they're dumb. Maybe someone claimed something dumb because dumb. Relying on "cuz dumb" is dumb.
On July 24 2013 23:34 FiveTouch wrote:
I would normally leave this to austin because he's so good at it, but:
Oats/Cora - ermahgerd, stahp!
Oats stop swearing at Cora
Cora stop telling Oats to start playing the game and other such stuff.
We goooood? ^^
~marv Awwwwwwww.
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On July 25 2013 00:52 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:42 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 22:47 FiveTouch wrote:On July 24 2013 22:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 24 2013 22:42 FiveTouch wrote:
I think scum are very likely to have a roleblocker. I thought we pretty much established that scum blocking TG made no sense and had to be town. The fact that there was only one roleblock (unless someone hasn't spoke up) makes it very unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker. Apparently you haven't been reading VE's posts? With the number of blues running around (maybe one is fake, dunno yet) with potentially more hidden away within our ranks, scum not having a roleblocker would be a massive balance issue. Simplest, and most likely correct, explanation is that mafia have a roleblocker and roleblocked Tangeng because they dumb In a closed setup with a claimed RB on a guy who almost got lynched and then claimed vt during the night, I don't like this conclusion. When your simplest explanation relies on people being dumb, then it opens up LOTS of possibilities. Maybe scum RBed TG because they're dumb. Maybe someone claimed something dumb because dumb. Relying on "cuz dumb" is dumb. Um, it doesn't rely on dumb, it just doesn't rule out dumb and therefore it is an acceptable explanation. Leans heavily on basic balancing of a game as well. If there's a town roleblocker, a town vigi, 1 (2) town cops, and whatever else, not having a scum roleblocker is... icky, let's say. ~marv You end with the simplest and most likely correct explanation being that mafia have a roleblocker and RBed TG because they dumb.
I agree that if we have all these blues, it's unlikely we don't have a RB. And a GF. But maybe we don't have all these blues. Maybe we have a town and a scum RB. Maybe town RBed the scum RB. I'm not entirely sure whether I find TG town and rbed because scum dumb more likely that "someone claimed odd because dumb" or "some other dumb thing."
Yes, scum RBing town TG isn't purely relying on dumb, but you're relying on dumb for the targeting. You need someone to do something dumb for that to be the case. The moment someone has to be dumb to make your assumption work, other assumptions involving "someone being dumb" are just as supported. I don't like that bit, but it's not for now.
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On July 25 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:
I generally assume my assumptions and prerequisites are more accurate than yours austin, you know that <3 And I the same 
You honestly should look at the cut down post, though. Just the vote and the reads swapping at the end of the day.
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On July 25 2013 01:18 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:13 austinmcc wrote:On July 25 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:
I generally assume my assumptions and prerequisites are more accurate than yours austin, you know that <3 And I the same You honestly should look at the cut down post, though. Just the vote and the reads swapping at the end of the day. You see now, more than anything else, I just want to be proven right on this one small point, lol. Tangeng? I promise I will, at a later time. Feel free to poke me about it at various points, I can always tell you to go away. The main reason is that there are things that pull both ways and I could agonise over it and not come to a satisfactory conclusion. One possible way of solving it is, if town is planning to lynch Tangeng, just get everyone to claim if they're town roleblocker. I'm pretty unworried about outing that as a role when there's other more important ones floating about, and it would be genuinely important and useful information to have when deciding whether to lynch him or not. ~marv Bah, you won't be proven right. If TG is town and was RBed by a scum RBer, I'll just know that the VE half of the hydra was right and you were asleep or something.
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I'll pop in and do my duty here and say to shutup about dick move analysis and some other game unless you're ACTUALLY going to apply it to something here.
Whole page now of nothing but dick jokes and stuff unrelated to the game. At the very least, keep the dick jokes relevant to this game.
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If the place is dead, either enliven it with stuff from this game or let it be dead. Useless activity isn't actually better than no activity.
/momoff
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YEAH. WAY MORE THAN A SINGLE POLE. MULTIPLE POLES. YOU'D NEED AT LEAST A POLE AND A HALF, PROBABLY WAY MORE, TO DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO DO WITH POLES AND DAYS.
Also, yeah. The two days are different.
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/momon
This is all a bunch of nonsense. Keep it in your QT or whatever.
On July 25 2013 06:29 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't think he's playing to it heavily at all.
jrkirby is actually the only sensible shot to take. He's not going to post enough to give us a good read probably, and there's a reasonably high chance he's mafia.
~marv
This post is bad, given that I know you refuse to go and actually read TanGeng, even specific posts of his. If you're not actually going to look at everything in the game, don't go telling people what the only reasonable shots are.
/momoff
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I know I at least thought he was town.
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Then he's got to go and be all mafia on me, probably.
I just don't understand some of your play this game.
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Your post isn't bad because a read was wrong or an interpretation was wrong.
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No. I usually...disagree with some conclusions, or the paths you take to get there. Part of the reason I harp on this is because I don't think it's like you and I don't think it's decent play, which is messing with my head.
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On July 25 2013 07:12 FiveTouch wrote:
It's not bad for any reason.
The fact that jrkirby isn't posting is totally irrefutable, and there's no reason he's town, and I can and have come up with reasons TG is town, as has VE.
Not my fault you don't get it as usual. Yeah, you've come up with reasons. But you've done so while explicitly not reading his actual POSTS. You've done so by relying on things like "scum is dumb so they RBed a VT." I'm not used to you making reads on people without actually bothering to read them. I'm not used to you jumping on wagons without actually knowing why the wagon exists. And I'm not used to you speculating about what happened before flips based on "scum was dumb."
If nothing else, you're concluding that "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT and who almost got lynched" is more likely than "scum decided to RB a scumbuddy to make it look like he was town." I've seen far more uses of scum powers to make scum look better than I have "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT."
jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things.
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On July 25 2013 07:21 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote:On July 25 2013 07:12 FiveTouch wrote:
It's not bad for any reason.
The fact that jrkirby isn't posting is totally irrefutable, and there's no reason he's town, and I can and have come up with reasons TG is town, as has VE.
Not my fault you don't get it as usual. Yeah, you've come up with reasons. But you've done so while explicitly not reading his actual POSTS. You've done so by relying on things like "scum is dumb so they RBed a VT." I'm not used to you making reads on people without actually bothering to read them. I'm not used to you jumping on wagons without actually knowing why the wagon exists. And I'm not used to you speculating about what happened before flips based on "scum was dumb." If nothing else, you're concluding that "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT and who almost got lynched" is more likely than "scum decided to RB a scumbuddy to make it look like he was town." I've seen far more uses of scum powers to make scum look better than I have "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT." jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things. Not irrelevant at all, and I can't really be bothered interacting with you anymore, it's just mindnumbing. Sorry dear. ~marv Unless you'd like to explain how jrkirby and his alignment affect TG's posts D1 or whether he was RBed, then yes, jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things.
Didn't say game. I actually would tend to agree with cora here, that if TAA is scum then TG is. I find it far more likely that this is "let's use this non-KP power on ourselves to make it look like one of us is town" than "let's use this RB on a VT." One has potential upside. One doesn't. One I have seen in games before (and done, to an extent). One I haven't.
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On July 25 2013 07:31 FiveTouch wrote:
Oh, and the upside to roleblocking TG?
You and Corazon tying TAA and TG together.
Fuck this is too easy. The other point above is legit. This one is sillypants. It works for everything. Then I can just say "Well there's the additional upside to my side of things that by scum claiming VT then other scum roleblocking the claimed VT marv and others will split TAA and TG up."
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I think your pants are silly.
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Nice try. Just don't want to clog up the thread.
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