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Come around to my way of thinking and vote FirmTofu. You know I'm right. FirmTofu has basically said nothing to counter my analysis. I'll do and improve the case for austinmcc and it'll tie the scum team neatly together. | ||
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Teflon Austin Basically strategy of scum play is to get a scum member to look very towny and have a place to influence town agenda. The scum duo of TAA and Tofu set this up with this sort of exchange at the beginning to get the veterans talking and create an opportunity for austinmcc. Day 1 On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. Tofu and TAA dutifully throw mud at each other for a while. Tofu unfortunately attracts the attention of rayn and TAA attracts the attention of getmoript. However, austinmcc is as clean as possible and lurks for opportunity. austinmcc naturally tries to shifts pressure away: On July 22 2013 08:14 austinmcc wrote: I prefer an oats lynch to TAA I think. Don't believe either smurf is mafia at this point, so long as most of 5T's posts have come from marv. I have not hydraed, by hydraing as scum seems particular troublesome. Some other dude might do something scummy and you can get lynched for it. If anyone HAS hydraed as scum, is that the case? You're paranoid your hydra partner might do something you find scummy? If that IS the case, then getmoript is posting too much/too freely to be the D1 lynch, and if he ever drops the bad cop, worse cop, even worse and angry cop act then that would be nice. and provides PRO TAA analysis. On July 22 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote: It IS worth pointing out. Honestly it's the single post in your filter that stuck out the most to me, and I think it's townie. getmoript, either/both halves, chat about that post (by yourselves, in this thread, whatever). TAA's post is 8 hours after 5T's post. After that 5T post, TAA has:I read that as TAA actually looking through 5T and getmoript's filters, a "figuring the game out" thing. Do you read this as "trying to be all sneaky and make an extra bro scummy"? And also reinforces not going after Tofu On July 22 2013 09:04 austinmcc wrote: I'm happier with an Oats lynch. Don't have a good scumread on anyone who's been posting a good bit. I'm slightly worried that I'm just punishing him for last game, but I feel pretty good that that's not actually the case, that's he's super lurky but actually was reading at one point or more, and can get behind the thought of "Oats is EVEN less impactful this game because he's rolled scum 2x in a row." I don't want to lynch FirmTofu either. jrkirby interests me but I'd like to wait and see more from him. DrH valuable if town imo, would like to wait. So I come down to really looking at zephir and Oats, and wanting to lynch Oats between the pair. On July 22 2013 09:27 austinmcc wrote: Went ahead and voted Oats. There's merit on both sides of the TAA thing, but I like that post and his response to me as townie posts. The only caveat is that if 5T is town and marv disagrees with my thought process entirely and thinks I'm dumb and TAA is mafia, then it ups that chance TAA is mafia by more than I'd like. It's an added bonus that wading into this mess for others is a bit of a minefield since austinmcc can pounce at any moment. I literally walked into this and as soon as getmoript did his intimidation thing, I was in serious trouble. austinmcc took the opportunity to look really towny. On July 22 2013 11:35 getmoript wrote: I ask because I have like super hella meta on JJD. He's one of like 3-4 people who i am 100% on my meta reads on. All that pressure was to get a reaction from him. I'm fine-ish on him right now. I'd like to see more before solidify him as green but I don't want to lynch him today. Move your vote. Austinmcc is goes to town on me and it's even easier after I back down. Forum veterans have to stop doing this to newcomers. That's sort of the Day 1 Guardian Austinmcc. Deflecting some pressure but ultimately not that successful with TAA and ending up having to kill Rayn in the night to protect FirmTofu. I'm really the reason why the strategy was so successful. Day 2 At this point Austinmcc goes to work on FiveTouch since he is in such good standing. He tries to push his reads and exert influence on the influential and active players of the game. One of the big events in the day 2 is l Austinmcc sheeping on the TAA vote (7th in line) and fishing Tofu back out of danger with a quick series of posts. (way more on this in another post) After that austinmcc continues to work on FiveTouch and continues to defend Tofu. Basically Austinmcc pretends that nothing really happened during the TAA vote. Continues to defend Tofu after having been instrumental in fishing the guy out of the brink. On July 25 2013 23:34 austinmcc wrote: Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine. I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum. | ||
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In the game of Mafia, any thing involving townies are real conversations. They are talking trying to figure out what the other guy is saying. But communication is never perfect, either because of bad or hasty writing skills or bad or hasty reading comprehension. Conversations happen in fits and starts with some questions coming back immediately or misunderstanding between people lasting pages and pages. This is the nature of town conversations. There is miscommunication. The amount of miscommunication depends on the person. Careful readers and writers will have fewer and time starved readers and writers will have more. All kinds of things can happen. Examples Here: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2013 11:11 TanGeng wrote: A bit of forgetfulness or just ignoring the red letters everywhere while the getmoript hydra raged and floated just lynching him blindly. Is that not enough risk? I'm still town and it looks like DocH is/was town. I don't know what you are. Example of me reading the post and not following the conversation or something. On July 25 2013 21:13 TanGeng wrote: Want to? Not in normal circumstances. If there is an excellent winning plan that involves me getting vigged, I'd be up for it. On July 25 2013 21:16 TanGeng wrote: Err misread the question. LOL Oops On July 25 2013 21:24 TanGeng wrote: My top vig target would be Corazon. Here I skipped "who" on the first run through and answered "Do I want to get vigged." Hahaha. Realized it afterwards. On July 27 2013 00:15 TanGeng wrote: It's not the driving home of the lynch it's that FirmTofu didn't call out TAA. It is almost as if he knew that TAA wouldn't show up and didn't want to call out TAA and draw attention. FirmTofu also wasn't the only one pushing. He blended in with the WoS angry reaction. The sort of contrast between DocH, jrkirby treatment and the TAA treatment is there. Complicated Ideas require clarification. Sometimes there is just plain combativeness and refusal to read.. In movies and televisions shows, actors can interact, talk, and engage without missing a beat. They can throw one liners out there with their co-workers there to comprehend and respond immediately. These people have preparation, the talking points are planned out, and their conversations are scripted. And this is exactly the advantage scum have. They can plan out their conversations, but there is a potential of a huge scum tell. This tell is that when two masoned individuals performing a rehearsed or nearly rehearsed conversation is that it can look unnaturally smooth without the normal friction that you see between two people actually having a conversation. With this idea let's take a look at the critical part of day two where austinmcc fishes Tofu out of the TAA lynch problem. See this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=60 Tofu's earlier conversation about the same topic spanned pages!!!! Got sidetracked all the time. And had all sorts of natural conversation flow signatures. This austinmcc & Tofu exchange, however, takes exactly 5 posts over the course of about 20 minutes. BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM and it's over. No real questions and challenges. "You're right. I see. Etc." from Tofu, as austinmcc leads him out of his original position. Tofu sees the logic that he couldn't see before. Given austinmcc worded his response better than other players, Tofu also had to have much better reading comprehension. This is so out of character as to be unbelievable. It's completely scripted. BECAUSE they rehearsed it in scum QT. SCRIPTED. SCUM. LYNCH. | ||
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No SK. SK really should have shot N1. I'm just being paranoid. | ||
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Have you looked at my Tofu/Austin case. What problems do you have with it? I see it as an open and shut case for even you because of the scum tells and the interaction analysis. | ||
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On July 27 2013 12:46 Onegu wrote: Null but townie TG his reaction with his rb seems real and I dont see scum makeing a rb on thier own player I just dont, also his activity has picked up markedly with actual scum hunting even though I disagree with his reads. Firm fairly active, makes decent reads answers questions well and in a timely manner, this is my 4th game with him I think and this is concurrent with his town meta Onegu, Don't use meta when you have enough information to do a proper read. Meta for more probabilistic, WIFOM, and low information moments. Scum don't post actively because they might scum slip. This is meta. But once they are active, LOOK for presence and absence of scum slips!! Don't just say. Oh it's town meta. Tofu slipped up on Day 1 quite enough for Rayn. | ||
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Meta strategy fails and works entirely based on whether or not you are ahead of the meta. Use it when you don't have the rest. Reads are so much stronger when you aren't using the meta. | ||
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Just comes off as scummy. | ||
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Evaluate my austinmcc/Tofu argument for me. The TL/DR is the two of them scum slipped hard by performing a rehearsed conversation for the rest of town to see. Do you see, understand, and/or are convinced by that case? I need to see where I need to strengthen or clarify my case. I also need to take a step back. | ||
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Get ahold of VE yet? | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:21 FiveTouch wrote: Nope, or I wouldn't be posting at all. Only doing so because it was critical What do you think of a fake claim by Tofu here? | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:17 FiveTouch wrote: Because I got a town check on him. If you have any additional questions, please ask. I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong. I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely. So annoying doing this via phone at a party. I believe this claim because we are also a detective, we have red checks on getmo and Cora. If I were to speculate, I'd say we had 4 cops with a different sanity each. The combination of our and firm's checks means Cora is probably town though Marv[/QUOTE] Wait you're claiming DT too? | ||
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