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On July 24 2013 12:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! Actually, that's exactly what it seems like. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two.
His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information.
While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA.
I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles.
That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.
That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue?
No, I didn't know TAA was potentially blue. TAA was null-scum at that time, but not in my top 3 scumreads(Close, but not quite there). When he claimed blue, specifically roleblocker, I knew he had to be axed.
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On July 24 2013 13:01 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! If you were looking at some of the recent posts that you've made from the outside, they would look really odd and difficult to explain. They really look like you're trying to avoid lynching someone who was redchecked while not calling that person town/not distrusting the cop claim. You may be town and Lieutenant Angrypants may be wrong in calling you scum, but your whole mindset on things since getmoript's claim has been funky. Everyone else isn't going one way because they're overlooking some likely scenario, imo. Like, again, Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:06 FirmTofu wrote:On July 24 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote:On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote:
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. Given TAA's reaction post, you think it's more likely that: (1) getmoript is not actually a cop, fakeclaiming a red check on a scumread of his, who responded in that manner but is town AND TG or jrkirby is scum (which I still agree with on TG) than (2) getmoript either is or isn't a cop, nobody cares, and TAA is scum ? No, I don't think it is likely that getmoript is not actually a cop. I'm saying it is a definite possibility considering how adamant he has been about his read of TAA. TAA could definitely be scum but considering that I have nothing to go off of except a cop role claim that may or may not be sane, I'm not willing to blindly follow the train on TAA just yet. If you can convince me of his alignment either way, I will definitely be willing to vote him. It's not just about whether TAA is scum or not (and seriously, that reaction was super duper scummy). You're going to vote someone, you're going to have a scumread SOMEWHERE. So it's not solely a question of whether TAA is town or scum. It's a question of whether you trust a different read of yours SO MUCH that you think it's more likely that read of yours is scum than TAA. All of TAA's posts don't HAVE to be scummy, there may be some things that are difficult to explain. But that's true of everyone (probably), and you're going to have that problem with any lynch candidate, TAA or whoever you would prefer. You're almost hesitating about TAA because he may or may not be scum (before this claim stuff that you jumped on). But that's true of most anyone, and the combination of the possible check + definite reaction is, imo, a much larger indicator of scumdiddlyumptiousness than anything you can point out in another person's filter. Note that his reaction wasn't that getmoript was LYING, wasn't that he's town and doesn't want to bother putting up a fight, but was that getmoript was cheating because he didn't even make a case. He didn't just get called scum and choose not to fight it (initially), he got called scum and responded by saying it was lame and getmoript should have made a case. The problem a townie has with a redcheck on them is "I'm not red." The problem a mafia member has with a redcheck on them is "Boooooooo."
Bolded relevant.
At the time, I trusted my reads of jrkirby and TanGeng to enough to offset the likelihood that all of the following were true regarding getmoript:
1) Telling the truth about his claim
2) Target was not framed
3) Is a sane cop(implying not paranoid/insane)
The probability of all of these events occurring simultaneously was not particularly high in my mind, so I thought that it was be best to trust my own scumreads before jumping on getmoript's wagon.
You make good points about TAA, all of which I have considered and are part of the reason why I'm currently voting for him.
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I disagree. I think I am the only one who is reacting correctly to getmoript's claim, accusation, and TAA's initial feeble defense.
Here is the quote in question.
On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating
The correct rational town response is to consider whether:
1) Town would do this when accused.
2) Scum would do this when accused.
1-> This is bad town play. Town probably wouldn't do this when accused. The correct town play would be to post a defense of themselves and counter-attack their accuser.
2-> Scum wouldn't do this when accused either. This is terrible scum play. Why would they bring about unwarranted suspicion upon themselves?
Thus, we can conclude that TAA's post is bad, but not 100% alignment indicative. It's bad play, sure, but I don't think you can say that it implicates him beyond reasonable doubt.
As time went on, I started to grow on the TAA lynch. TAA didn't defend himself for a long time, making me more suspicious of him.
The nail in the coffin came when he claimed blue. It was far too convenient. TG had just claimed rb'd and it looks like TAA is using the claim as an opportunity to exonerate himself. Add to this that a bunch of other blues have already claimed that look less scummy than he does and I no longer could justify not lynching him.
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On July 24 2013 13:35 getmoript wrote:
No dude, you're wrong. There are lots of times when it's correct to claim scum when caught. You'd be amazed how much you can fuck up and derail a thread after you claim scum.
I am unfamiliar with the meta on this site. Do scum actually do this?
On July 24 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what would scum do FT?
Good scum would try to mimic the correct town response as closely as possible to make their response and a town's response in their situation virtually indistinguishable.
On July 24 2013 13:37 austinmcc wrote:
Scum inherently knows they're scum. You get called out when you're scum, especially if you aren't used to it, and your mindset is "Oh crap, I got caught." It's terrible scum play, yes, but it's a product of you KNOWING you're scum, KNOWING a check is real.
Just because it isn't good scum play doesn't mean it's not human nature. It's FAR more likely to come from scum because of mindset.
This is a fair point. I hadn't considered that.
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I didn't really understand Oats' post so I'll just respond to JJD.
You said "we should hold of on lynching potential blues" when trying to talk people out of voting TAA even though we had no reason to think he was blue @ the time. Tell me how this isn't a slip.
I was never trying to talk people out of lynching TAA. That's where you go wrong. I said hold off on lynching potential blues because I didn't want anyone voting getmoript, Onegu, or cDg. Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue.
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I think you should all hold off on your accusations of me until the flip. I'm done answering these questions. Austin had the only good ones anyway.
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I'm sorry. I had to attend to my other game before getting to this one because I'm being pressured there. Will read thread and get back soon.
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Okay well, it looks like there have been very few developments since I left. I will say that my biggest scumreads right now --other than TAA -- are TG and jrkirby.
I would endorse a shot on either one. I don't think you can justifiably shoot anyone else.
cDg is the only person I'm still wavering on, but by process of elimination, I'm pretty sure we found the entire scumteam if TAA flips scum.
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If people are still not convinced about kirby, have a look at this post I made a while back. I think it's still quite relevant.
On July 24 2013 07:43 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler [kirby's timeline] +On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time.
I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it.
If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. His first scum reads are rayn and TAA. This is important to keep in mind going forward. On July 22 2013 11:52 jrkirby wrote:
Well, I read rayn, TAA, and jarjar. Unfortunately, none of them seem extremely scummy on second look. I'm gonna check firmtofu's filter and see if rayn has anything there.
God, I'm so bad at seeing scum until the votes come in. He returns 30 minutes later with this post that basically says he has no scumreads now. He also is making excuses for his bad play by downplaying his "mistakes" as newb town. Why does he have such an apologetic tone to all his posts? So far, he has contributed nothing to the thread. On July 22 2013 12:03 jrkirby wrote:Oh, wow, firmtofu looks to have it right on oatsmaster. oats is not saying anything useful: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
nonononono
Dont lynch me.
Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???
And then he says: Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan.
It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks.
Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez.
cant be arsed with voting for now. . This is just terrible, no reasoning behind his rayn vote. I could be wrong, but I think firmtofu had his vote on rayn then, which makes it double scummy. Anyway, till oats explains himself, my vote is on him. ##Vote: Oatsmaster He then buddies me to push a lynch on Oats. Seems convenient. On July 23 2013 02:01 jrkirby wrote:
Oh shit, the train ended and I was stuck without internet on a bus for the next 8 hours, then I slept a bit, and I didn't get to look over TG's case. But I am now back home and can start looking at the thread. At this moment I am not caught up with the thread. He says he will look into TG and will look at the thread. He NEVER fulfills this promise, making it extremely likely that TG and kirby are on a scumteam together and kirby faked AFKness in order to avoid voting him. On July 23 2013 04:11 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, I read the thread, and I still think oats is scum. But shit... I kinda caused a no lynch to happen. Really sorry guys. If only I had read tangeng's filter faster. I still haven't read it, but I guess I got plenty of time to do that now.
I have even more scumread on oats than I did before. I'm not sure about DrH, I'd prefer to see how he plays tonight and tomorrow before I come to a conclusion on him. Another apologetic post. He again pushes for an Oats lynch, but still hasn't made a post justifying why. On July 23 2013 06:47 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 23 2013 06:26 jrkirby wrote:
I don't see anything that's a red flag yet, but Zephirdd didn't post at all day 1 right? So I don't have enough to go off of yet. That's pretty interesting because you semmed to have 2 scumreads on D1... What's changed? What do you mean? I still think Oats is scum, and I still haven't gotten to tangengs filter. I can't spend too much time on this at work, cause I kinda also gotta get work done  ANOTHER post apologizing that he hasn't even looked at TG. This is getting repetitive... I think kirby made the decision to kill rayn specifically to implicate Oats as evidenced by this post right after Night 1 ended. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 15:19 jrkirby wrote:
So the guy oatsmaster wanted dead is dead, hmmm. If oatsmaster were really taking this seriously, I might think this a sign that he's not scum. But he's not, so I still think that he's scum. This post solidifies my scumread of jrkirby.
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I think it does a good job of connecting kirby and TG as likely scumbuddies as well.
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Why you shouldn't shoot me:
On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell.
On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though.
On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone
Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:
Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGeng
Tier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDg
cDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow.
JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum.
I think everyone else is town.
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On July 26 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote:Why you shouldn't shoot me:On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.
The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone Bolded relevant.
Who you should shoot:Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGengTier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDgcDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot?
You mean Onegu the vigilante? lol.
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On July 26 2013 01:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm checking JJD tonight. He's someone I'm not so sure on, so I'd like to get some more info.
Why don't you check whichever of the two (jrkirby/TanGeng) that Onegu does not shoot?
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EBWOP: Actually nevermind, getmoript can do that.
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EBWOP: Actually IDK because getmoript is likely dead tonight. What do you guys think?
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On July 26 2013 01:35 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 01:34 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2013 01:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm checking JJD tonight. He's someone I'm not so sure on, so I'd like to get some more info. Why don't you check whichever of the two (jrkirby/TanGeng) that Onegu does not shoot? Well if I don't know who Onega is going to shoot, how can I figure out which one to check?
He'll tell us, duh.
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This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon.
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Well, kirby made an excellent case for himself being scum. Any takers?
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On July 26 2013 03:00 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:57 FirmTofu wrote:
This JJD guy is playing really badly if he's town. If he's scum, then whatever. I don't understand why you would deliberately attack me when I'm basically confirmed town.
I'm just going to ignore his posts for the time being until Night 2 ends. I'll probably be able to ascertain his alignment soon. You're basically confirmed town? how?
Look through TAA's filter. He has wanted me dead the entire game.
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TanGeng, if you really think I'm mafia, who do you think my teammate is?
Cora? The cop who says you are town?
jjd? The guy who has been trying to lynch me since forever?
Or jrkirby? The guy ive been trying to lynch since forever?
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