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On July 21 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey hydra head 1, what do you think about hydra head 2? Can read this both ways, but gut read is mildly townie. Silly thing to ask, feels like a post you make when you've got a clear conscience and a game is starting. That whole bit, where he actively engages you in discussion about your other hydra head, townie.hey let's play a cool game geript. What do you think about WoS asking me "are you town this time rayn?". Don't you think that's kinda.. stupid question to start with. What does that imply to you? On July 22 2013 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mild town points. Again, mostly gut, but asking x what he thinks about something and then adding everyone else generally reads to me like someone is trying to follow some line of reasoning, actually wants thoughts/discussion on it, is trying to figure out the game.no i don't, at least until he starts talking more and there is more shit to talk about. That being said, marv, what do you think of my/geript's discussion last night. Actually everyone can answer that. The rest of his filter doesn't really do anything for me alignment-wise. | ||
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But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote: Those targets are solid.Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time. I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it. If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. Maybe look at JarJar too. And then tell everyone to actually play the game. That would be the best thing. | ||
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I'm gonna be off for the night soon, and there's so few votes that I hate leaving with a couple hours left in case everyone shows up and decides to pants on head. Would like to chat a little more about votes/lynch, see if we get anything semi-solid out, and then hope that everyone just sheeps your vote because apparently that's your role. | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post?I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? | ||
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You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote: The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler +Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process. Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote: It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote: Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now. My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other. If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off. That leaves with only the town possibility. On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him?HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote: If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process. Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:17 FirmTofu wrote: EBWOP: Sorry about my switch from 3rd person to 2nd person midway though that post. austinmcc says that I think it's okay; you're forgiven | ||
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But since you responded, I feel bad. I will give you my fourth child. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote: Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng.I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." On average, I think it comes out scummy for me, as like a deer in the headlights reaction? Has TanGeng been mafia before? I really want getmoript's take on that and TanGeng overall, because despite spending this last bit removing the police uniforms and playing paddycake in their chat (or, you know, working), I'm interested in their thoughts. Having "misread" TanGeng before, or whatever that comment was, I'd like to know what was misread. Oats is still oats, and still looks like a perfectly fine lynch. But TanGeng also looks like a fine lynch to me atm, if this game actually has a lynch and doesn't just get shut down because nobody votes. | ||
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(UNLESS YOU'RE MAFIA AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND THEN DON'T POST YOUR THOUGHTS ANYWHERE AND JUST CONCEDE) | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote: + Show Spoiler +Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote: Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc. | ||
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What info does lynching oats get us? I cannot really explain some of this TG stuff except trying to get instruction from scum QT or something, hoping people would tell him what to say, and so it would make me think we've got scum among our very inactive players/not in our players that are around recently. That's stretching some stuff, and it leads to the conclusion that "some of our inactive players are scum" which, I know, is just downright SHOCKING and such a useful conclusion, but I don't get what info oats gets us really. Hard to analyze votes at all when there are 2.3 total votes. | ||
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Cuz I totally support vigis shooting peeps. I think I just really want to lynch TG because I don't understand this at all and think I've found scum and can make up for last game where I blew and found town. However, the lesson that game was to lynch oats/DI, and NOT go charging off after scummy people. Way more boring. Booooooooo. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote: If you don't think TAA is scum and your vote on JJD was JUST pressure, despite also saying thisI see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. Then....do you think ANYONE is scum? GETMORIPT I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND. TanGeng, you didn't ignore me for the longest time. You actively responded to these side-bits of my posts, you responded to some, we had dialogue, but NONE of it concerned what I was really looking for. You were keeping current with thread and responding to the very posts that had the questions about JJD and your vote/discussion, yet never ever ever ever mentioning that part of things. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:35 TanGeng wrote: Which I'll actually feel bad about if you're town. I can be aggressive sometimes with reads, but I don't think I was at the start with you. I was scummy on that one post but figured you'd kind of explain it. But then the explanation or lack thereof just kept pinging my scumdar.Don't lynch me. It really was trying to stir up some activity. I'm trying to help out town and austin just jumped all over me. But I don't know how you were trying to stir up activity. You complained that you weren't on the useless lists because you were being useless. Then you pressure voted a guy with 5-6 hours left in the day when he had no other votes, after maybe not quite catching up to a very short game. Like...none of it adds up. | ||
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