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On July 24 2013 06:58 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:52 FiveTouch wrote:
Corazon, VE is bang on. Do you think getmoript is mafia?
~marv Well I don't think the chances of having 2 cops and a vigilante for town and only a roleblocker for mafia is very fair. Someone has to be lying. I can believe Onegu, which leaves Getmoript and TG's claims. There's a chance they could both be lying. Idk why Getmoript would claim to get TAA killed. What would he say if he was wrong about TAA?
If town indeed has these power roles, we'll most likely be dealing with a miller or a godfather.
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On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating
So TAA's total response to the Detective is to yell "Cheater?" followed by total silence.
Regardless of truthfulness of Getmoript's DT roleclaim, this is more than damning.
##vote: TheAwesomeAll
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On July 24 2013 07:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
I was town in NMM37...what the hell are you talking about?
When in doubt chalk it up to old-age and senility.
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Is this all getript right now?
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This claim is so confusing...
But also based on getmoript's DT check, I'm trying to figure out why scum TAA didn't show up for my lynching.
@TAA
Why did you lurk all of night 1. while sending in a RB on me?
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Please walk me through your thought process as Town RB while making these posts:
On July 23 2013 22:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
also lol @ the vigi claim when we know theres a roleblocker ingame
On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that.
On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.
On July 24 2013 09:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Hi guys since im prolly not gonna see the light of another day im gonna tell my role and such. I am the roleblocker! I blocked the role of TG night 1 because he barely escaped the lynch and i assumed he was scum. Because of this i also made the following post: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much. i didnt want people to draw huge conclusions from the TG RB since i simply RBed him because he was considered most likely to be scum. Its kinda late to do damage control and such but w/e.
Was I most scummy to begin with? Enough to RB?
Then both FiveTouch and I are not scummy reads.
Then you're arguing that RB shouldn't change scum reads on me?
What about laughing at Onegu when he Vig claimed and you knew you RB'd me?
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12 hours of slow slow speculation and another 24 hours of night action. I'm bored~~~
Mom, you're no fun.
Anyways, I'll repeat what I said before about setup speculation. If we believe the three role-claims excluding TTA's (how did three town players claim on day two!?), then from a balance perspective, Redville scum probably have a Roleblocker and Godfather as those scum power roles are good counterbalance to claimed town power roles. The RBer against the Vig and the Godfather against Cops. (A scum JOAT jack-of-all-trades in place of Roleblocker is an interesting possibility.)
As the only one to claim being RB'd, either one of town/scum Roleblocker didn't use their abilities in N1 or the town Roleblocker doesn't exist. VE/Marv's dumb mafia RB action idea is believable considering the comparably dumb town role-claiming. Of course, it could also be next level play.
On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.
TAA also dropped this strange little bit saying that I had to be also claiming blue. WTF.
Onegu should probably get ready to shoot or Cora should get caught up with the thread... And the rest of you should start thinking of a plan after the flip.
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Looks like I was a hot topic!
Please do talk about me.
For your troubles:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Rodsx5x.jpg[/img]
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So TAA wasn't lying about being the RoleBlocker.
@Oats
What are your thoughts on 3p possibilities?
@VE
On July 25 2013 18:49 FiveTouch wrote:
It's really simple if you just think Oats.
Possibility 1) TG town. He has no reason to lie about being roleblocked.
Possibility 2) TG scum. Maybe they hid a RB under the rayn shot. Maybe they didn't RB at all. But scum wouldn't RB one of their own. He could be lying about RB.
To answer your question, if scum ACTUALLY REALLY roleblocked TG, we can assume he's town. Unfortunately we can't know for sure. We know he claimed it and we know that scum wanted us to believe it.
-VE
Can you point to posts fleshing out part of the analysis?
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What part of the scum play, specifically the RB claim, makes it clear that scum intention is in confirming my roleblocked claim?
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I woke up and read through Corazon's analysis and I still can't follow his logic.
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When TAA claims RBer, the only one that could be claimed as RB target was me. Is there any other option that looks feasible as a claim target? Correct me if I'm wrong here.
So my question is: What makes it scum intention rather than a forced side-effect?
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On July 25 2013 20:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
If there is a 3p, hes a survivor, which means I dont care.
Ok, so let's suppose that there is a survivor.
Let's suppose that you are the survivor. How would you be playing?
I'm not so much interested in whether or not town should find and lynch the 3p rather than figure out how 3p might play in or interfere with town agenda.
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On July 25 2013 20:54 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:51 TanGeng wrote:On July 25 2013 20:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
If there is a 3p, hes a survivor, which means I dont care. Ok, so let's suppose that there is a survivor. Let's suppose that you are the survivor. How would you be playing? I'm not so much interested in whether or not town should find and lynch the 3p rather than figure out how 3p might play in or interfere with town agenda. I don't get your obsession with trying to find 3P. There was no extra NK so IF there is a 3P he is survivor (or something like bartender, but I refuse to consider that). How exactly will a survivor be interfering with the town 'agenda?' Are you trying to claim here in a really awkward way or some shit? -Wave
Not claiming at all.
Obsessed is 3 posts and one conversation.
I'm also directing the question at Oats.
FYI:
Survivor wouldn't interfere with Town Agenda but could have night powers. More or less when town is ahead the survivor is like a townie that plays to not get lynched or NK'd. Could be kind of boring tbh.
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On July 25 2013 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol TG, who cares???
Also, who do you want to get vigged?
Want to? Not in normal circumstances.
If there is an excellent winning plan that involves me getting vigged, I'd be up for it.
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Err misread the question. LOL Oops
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My top vig target would be Corazon.
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On July 25 2013 21:24 TanGeng wrote:
My top vig target would be Corazon.
Ok, got enough time to follow up with my reasons on Corazon.
I feel the highlight of Corazon as scum is waffling on the TheAwesomeAll vote and considering getmoript and then forgetting his suspicion of getmoript a day later.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.
##Unvote
I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. On July 25 2013 05:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote:
So you think TG is lying, but kirby and Oats are mafia?
Riddle me that one.
~marv Well TG's claim is tied into TAA's flip. If he actually is RB and he blocked TG then obviously the claim is true. 4 blues in a 12 player game and no other active powers have been used by scum other than a possible role block. Does that add up to you? Because it doesn't looked balanced to me. On July 25 2013 06:08 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:07 FiveTouch wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 25 2013 05:58 FiveTouch wrote:
Surely that means then that in fact you don't believe TG is lying, because if you believed he was lying you wouldn't be voting TAA, right?
~marv I don't believe TG's claim and therefore do not believe TAA's claim. So I have no clue what you mean by that. Proposition 1: you think TAA is lying and will flip mafia. Therefore your vote is on TAA Result 1: TAA flips mafia. According to what you wrote here, this makes TG a liar too. TAA is lying about roleblocking TG, TG is lying about being roleblocked. Lovely. Proposition 2: jrkirby and Oats are the remaining mafia, not TG. ???? My scum team is TAA, TG, and jrkirby. If TAA and TG turn out to be town, I'd look at my scum team being jrkirby, Oats, and another player.
From this, my interpretation is that the doubt about TAA/getmoript wasn't genuine as Cora sort of didn't actually run through the TAA as town scenario. In the middlepost, Cora sort of talks about how 4 blues in town would be unbalance and in such a situation the most suspicious blue claim would have to be getmoript. Forgetting about getmoript when asked to name his town TAA scenario doesn't add up for me.
Lastly, there's a bit that I feel could be like a "surrender post" after the TAA outing:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19269044
On July 24 2013 22:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really stopped caring about this game.
Circumstantially:
Without a town RBer claiming, I'm more or less left with the conclusion that scum RB'd me N1 after my D1 VT claim and near mislynch, but I'm still wrapping my head around this play.
A disorganized scum team with one inactive player barely joining the team before the Night Action deadline could have lead to such a decision playing out.
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On July 25 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:
There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything.
Firm doesn't seem like the freaking-out sort, frankly.
Wouldn't mind him explaining the potential blue thing though. You're right in that that is odd.
I'm still convinced that Tofu was talking about Corazon when mentioning blues.
However, I don't understand the sidetrack to Onegu/getmoript/Cora when the topic was about TAA. And he repeatedly threw out getmoript false claiming scenarios without looking at the TAA response. I guess players more familiar with Tofu play will be able to say if this is genuine inability to discern a clear scum tell or trying to stall a lynch.
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EPT
and share your thoughts on some 3p possibilities, plz!
