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On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote:
Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it?
From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all?
Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative.
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Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent.
But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote.
Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA?
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Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why.
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Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time.
I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it.
If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday.
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On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time.
I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it.
If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. Those targets are solid.
Maybe look at JarJar too.
And then tell everyone to actually play the game. That would be the best thing.
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Is either getmoript still around?
I'm gonna be off for the night soon, and there's so few votes that I hate leaving with a couple hours left in case everyone shows up and decides to pants on head.
Would like to chat a little more about votes/lynch, see if we get anything semi-solid out, and then hope that everyone just sheeps your vote because apparently that's your role.
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I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here:
On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right?
It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game.
We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum.
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I'm at work still and will be on for a bit on and off
~g
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@TG. You think I'm town right?
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On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote:I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post?
Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more?
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I ask because I have like super hella meta on JJD. He's one of like 3-4 people who i am 100% on my meta reads on. All that pressure was to get a reaction from him. I'm fine-ish on him right now. I'd like to see more before solidify him as green but I don't want to lynch him today. Move your vote.
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On July 22 2013 11:33 getmoript wrote:
@TG. You think I'm town right?
I think so. Yes.
On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:
As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post?
I believe that TAA was actually calling Tofu scummy. I say that it is his most scummy post. It's not fluff in that it's completely meaningless, but rather Day 1 type interaction. As a first post, it could either be extremely revealing (a slip) or just sort of a getting into the game type entry. I favor the latter interpretation.
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I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD.
You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss.
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in getript we trust. unvoted.
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Also. Answer Austin's questions. I want to see them too.
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Well, I read rayn, TAA, and jarjar. Unfortunately, none of them seem extremely scummy on second look. I'm gonna check firmtofu's filter and see if rayn has anything there.
God, I'm so bad at seeing scum until the votes come in.
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At first glance, TanGeng's recent posts look terrible. I think I may have to move my vote. Going to reread the last few pages, brb.
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Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells.
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Oh, wow, firmtofu looks to have it right on oatsmaster. oats is not saying anything useful:
On July 21 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
nonononono
Dont lynch me.
Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???
And then he says:
On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan.
It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks.
Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez.
cant be arsed with voting for now.
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This is just terrible, no reasoning behind his rayn vote. I could be wrong, but I think firmtofu had his vote on rayn then, which makes it double scummy. Anyway, till oats explains himself, my vote is on him.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:-snip- On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote:On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).
Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong. It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote:
Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now.
My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other.
If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off.
That leaves with only the town possibility.
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities.
Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important.
So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies.
On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote:
I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote.
Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient."
Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him?
On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote:
Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process.
Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him?
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