Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV

He means role-checking, as opposed to alignment checking.

OP doesn't indicate any role-checking abilities for town. I assume the description for Godfather is merely a formality.

TRIBUNAL ALERT:

Nightcat smells fishy. The early vote on kirby could have been a towncred vote to put distance between them. It's possible he came back and saw a close vote and can't risk being the vote that lynches his buddy now.

It seemed a bit too easy to get votes onto Super. Let's get them onto Kirby now, and continue deliberations.

##unvote
##vote: JrKirby

can you make a case defending why you would not vote for JrKirby at this time?

Can you tell me why you think Superfluous is the better lynch target?

Huh? The roles flip after death so they would know anyway....

Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.

I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.

Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.

Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.

That's the best I got, GG guys.

On July 16 2013 05:48 hzflank wrote:


Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2?

On July 16 2013 06:00 Nightcat99 wrote:
as far as why my respond to stim was late, that cause i was doing a lot of catching up during the weekend and didnt get a chance to respond after it was way off topic. so that was essentially my fault and i do apologize for that. As far as voting on kirby , i would be lieing if i say that one of the reason that i voted was because i want to ensure a lynch first day and he was the most likely target and since i was a bit busy before i just jumped on the wagon.

On July 16 2013 06:21 Chromatically wrote:
I still don't buy voting to ensure a lynch when the votes are 5-4. The lynch was totally in flux at that point.

On July 16 2013 11:45 Chromatically wrote:


now that i think about it , i guess i was being narrow minded . i must be thinking well if hes not the best target day 1 and i dont have any target for day 2 then hes the day 2 target, but i guess that logic is flauted.

On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon.

On July 16 2013 12:07 Xzavier wrote:
i was specifically looking at the people who were moving their votes around at the last minute. Those 4 people were Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows and Nightcat. i think Sponge and Umasi are town. Then began to suspect Rainbows might be scum but wanted to pressure nightcat during the nightphase.

being taht rainbow turned up dead i wanted to revert back to pressuring super because nightcat magically showed up to post and stopped lurking. My goal with that was to get the other to stop lurking and start helping. Nightcat is scummy, no shit i think that super is scummy considering i voted for him yesterday, and since all he did post-flip was hardcore lurk i chose to pressure him today.

On July 16 2013 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:

Pshaw, read Nuclear Winter when this game is done

On July 17 2013 01:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


This point is moot if it was a town/town wagon. I don't agree with Nightcat's logic on a lot of the points he's made. I'm also still concerned about him trying to get info on how we'd react if scum shot one of the Tribunal. It could just be bad townie play, but it blinks bright red to me as scum trying to get town consensus going into the NK flip.

On July 17 2013 02:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


No, I think Onegu is town. (He's posting like town, and I had a town read by the end on StiM). I was sure that I was the NK target early Night 1, which is why I was actually happy/sad to see Onegu start pressuring me hard. I figured if the Mafia decided they could back his case with 3 votes, they'd just need to convince just two townies to hop on to secure a mislynch, and they'd be able to get rid of one of the most active pro-town posters in the game. However, the points Onegu was making in Night 1 were weak (and I believe I've addressed all of them already. If I missed one, let me know) so I wasn't sure if they'd go for it. (For a while, I entertained the idea that Onegu was fake pressuring for the sole purpose of saving my life that night, because his arguments were pretty bad and filled with confirmation bias.)

Lo and behold, I was not targeted for the NK and immediately hz starts jumping on me for a very flimsy reason after Onegu re-affirms his pressure. Everything looked exactly like I thought it would if the scum were following the plan. Fortunately, this pressure didn't surprise me, and I am well prepared for the next 24 hours.

On July 17 2013 07:27 Gotard wrote:
My top reads:

Town:
-Umasi
-Onegu

Mafia:
Superfluous - still didn't do anything pro town except for out of place cop advice. But everyone assumes town-town lynch day 1. Problem is that we couldn't move our votes freely because this tribunal thingy and there wasn't enough place for mafia to make big plays even when they would like to defend him. Another this is that Chromatically defended him so mafia didn't even have to do that. To be honest jrkirby's case on me could be good enough to put him as 2nd lynch but someone needed to put some effort into highlighting that. That is why even when that lynch looked like it was town-town it might not be the case.


This post looks like "hey everyone! Mafia don't have a role blocker!".

Nightcat99 - Ask questions that you can easily google and find answers in 10 seconds. Shitload of useless one/two liners. 4 pages of bad content.

Off-topic: I was surprised that you can post during the day in my first game, but you should check it...

On July 15 2013 05:29 jrkirby wrote:
I think that you're right about gotard. He seems a lot like jarjardrinks in the first game I played. But no one is really taking a second look at him. In about 10 minutes I'm going to switch my vote from gotard to superflous, as he seems a bit scummy and I'd rather lynch him than no one.

But I would much prefer it if the case on gotard were reviewed by everyone. When I called him out on his sheep vote, instead of giving good reasons for his vote, he just said,oh, other people are doing the same thing. That's not an excuse.

And besides, gotard: Other people ARE posting why they are on the bandwagon their on. Sure, some people haven't voted yet, but most people who have voted have at least a bit of reasonig behind it, rather than just "I find you scummy."

On July 13 2013 19:53 Gotard wrote:
Hello! After some lurking (jk I was sleeping) i'd like to share my thoughts:

On July 13 2013 20:12 Gotard wrote:

Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk)

On July 14 2013 05:32 Gotard wrote:

"On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play.

On July 16 2013 02:44 Gotard wrote:

Getting mad after misreading. Emotional plays like that indicates bad town to me. Unless he wants to fake being mad after I defended Stim.

And the most important note : he can't spell my name.

On July 17 2013 07:33 Gotard wrote:
Wanted to check stuff before going to sleep.
(offtopic I might add you on osu! later if I will remember)[

On July 17 2013 07:27 Gotard wrote:
My top reads:

Town:
-Umasi
-Onegu

Mafia:
Superfluous - still didn't do anything pro town except for out of place cop advice. But everyone assumes town-town lynch day 1. Problem is that we couldn't move our votes freely because this tribunal thingy and there wasn't enough place for mafia to make big plays even when they would like to defend him. Another this is that Chromatically defended him so mafia didn't even have to do that. To be honest jrkirby's case on me could be good enough to put him as 2nd lynch but someone needed to put some effort into highlighting that. That is why even when that lynch looked like it was town-town it might not be the case.


This post looks like "hey everyone! Mafia don't have a role blocker!".

Nightcat99 - Ask questions that you can easily google and find answers in 10 seconds. Shitload of useless one/two liners. 4 pages of bad content.

Off-topic: I was surprised that you can post during the day in my first game, but you should check it...

On July 17 2013 09:45 hzflank wrote:
Thanks Nightcat. I agree with your points on Gotard and with most of your reasoning (timing of your vote, etc).

Out of interest, what do you think of Onegu?

On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam

Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard

I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game.

On July 16 2013 11:27 Onegu wrote:


Yes I should no way be heavy town Stim was scummy looking and this could be my 3rd or 4th scum game, and I like to be really active as scum.


Oh and Nightcat is noob town.

On July 16 2013 11:28 Onegu wrote:
Crap ignore that last sentence.

On July 17 2013 10:02 Onegu wrote:



New scum team

Hurricane
Gotard
Nightcat

Nightcat and gotard case posted today while you fools sleep. Really thats the only scum hunting post you found?

On July 17 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:



I know this is conspiracy crazy but if hurricane and nightcat were scum together, here is the start of the tribunal.






Votes in no way are a way to prove innocense.




I didnt want to vote the townie, guys Im innocent.




Again this post is really just like please dont look at me no matter what happens.



Talking about lurking scum because he didnt post at all. I thought you talked about makeing a group of four people to control the lynch.







That is what scum hunting is...



Alot of I am sorry in his filter also.

On July 17 2013 15:51 Onegu wrote:
PSA

I AM ALWAYS ON REALLY REALLY STRONG PAIN MEDS ALL THE TIME! Not useing this as a excuse but if I misspell a word or leave a word out its not a scum slip.

@Alakaslam

Do you understand majority lynch?

On July 17 2013 10:02 Onegu wrote:

New scum team

Hurricane
Gotard
Nightcat

Nightcat and gotard case posted today while you fools sleep. Really thats the only scum hunting post you found?

On July 19 2013 09:10 Umasi wrote:
I haven't read your guys reads and etc yet
I was roleblocked last night

On July 15 2013 05:22 StiMaDDict wrote:
Well shit, my bad about deadline.

I'm getting replaced after Day1. Here are my last thoughts.

I don't think Gotard and jkirby can both be scum.
Watch out for Koshi.
Regardless of what jkirby or Superfluous flips, the possibility that they are both scum exists.
One of 3 lurkers is likely a scum but no more than 1, imo.
Chromatically and hzflank should work together and mafia won't stand a chance.
Leave Umasi to do whatever he wants, he is great discussion leader even if he is crazy.
I think that's all.

Good luck town. I think town has the overall control of the game. I hope I was helpful in some way.

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2013 08:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
So, we're about half an hour from the Night 2 end.

My reads based on the Gotard flip:

Xzavier's filter looks worst with the Gotard flip. He supports a Super lynch over a Gotard flip because: "atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare." Not the most compelling argument ever, but I guess it's plausible as town. However, everyone else went hard after Gotard at some point, and after reading all the filters, Xzav's stuck out to me. Reading through it, both of his arguments were 'Yeah, gotard looks scummy, but here's a reason why he shouldn't be lynched: _________ '

Superfluous also seems scummy to me, which seems like a strange bedfellow for Xzavier. It's easy to pick on his post activity, but he also brings very little unique analysis to the table in his posts. There's still significant unnaccounted-for content in his filter (for example: I want him to respond to my question about what he was referencing during the Roleblock-ing conversation).

Continuing the theme, my third scummiest read is Umasi (somewhat by PoE, but his Day 2 / Night 2 doesn't help). He also catches some heat from Superfluous, but his filter when you control-f 'Gotard' doesn't look great. A lot of soft defense followed by softer FoS. He also flatly resisted moving onto Gotard Day 1 (like Xzavier did) when I floated the idea of ambushing Gotard or Koshi when we had the votes to make it happen.

Now, some of these reads seem incompatible with each other. It seems to pivot on Superfluous; both Xzavier and Umasi have targeted him with strong cases. But these three are what's left when I knock out the three guys I feel are 99.9% - 100.0% town, one who is probably Town (outside chance he's SK) but certainly not Mafia, and the other two who are fairly solidly Town by virtue of good activity levels and scumhunt-rich filters.

I don't see the value in specifically revealing my town reads right now, but if you've been following the game, the map I outlined may make sense to you. YMMV. Let me know if you absolutely have to know if someone is in some tier or something. I don't see the harm or benefits in revealing this information unsolicited, however.

One exception, because I feel it may surprise people who read my case on allah-kah-Slam:

I do not suspect Alakaslam is scum. And neither should any of you, if'n -yous- were paying attention tonight.

On July 19 2013 09:37 Xzavier wrote:



i get what your saying with the first half, and i seriously dont think anybody to be stupid enough to fake-claim after seeing the Rolebloker die. Thats a silly play and would get lynched the next day if nobody else said anything (unless the JK hit teh SK and there was only 1 NK)

i didnt follow your green text in the slightest

On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:
At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD

So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh.

Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will.

Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though.

I have to catch up from 102, gimme time

On July 19 2013 10:14 Alakaslam wrote:

PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing

On July 19 2013 09:02 Nightcat99 wrote:

and then there is Onegu, I am calling scum because i never brought the whole Stim blowup act, mainly cause i have done that before to get out of a lie and it worked like a charm. And if i am reading your filter, with FOS,(I hope i am using the FOS right) you don't give off any townie feel, that and i still think you slipped when you said you posted the case on me and gotard, then later change your mind and said you will post it.

This is the reason you gave for your slip up.



and this is the slip up



I mean i misspell all the time and i leave out words alot too, but which word did you misspell and what word can you add in here to make that sentence mean you will post it.
Nightcat and gotard case posted later today when you fools go to sleep.??
Nightcat and gotard case posting today while you fools sleep??
I am having trouble adding a word in here to change the meaning.

Obviously i am nitpicking on Onegu but its something to think about.