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On July 18 2013 06:36 Chromatically wrote: I won't be here until after deadline, lynch Gotard and don't pull any shennanies. Okay guys, now is our chance, everyone vote for Chrom. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I think it was a girl, actually. 'firere' or 'fferylt' or something, right? Makes sense. If you are going to give someone a ball and chain... | ||
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I have found something interesting, but it is almost wholly dependent on Super being town. On July 14 2013 06:27 Umasi wrote: I was going to respond, but fuck it! kirby, defend yourself plx and by that I mean bring up better lynch targets than Super, Gotard, and you or bring evidence against one of the other two! On July 14 2013 07:39 Umasi wrote: @ RAINBOWS You played in a game where Kirby got mislynched, what do you think of this? Do you think he's scummy or not? Are you still going to stick with Gotard when there are more compelling cases out there to be on? (At least, ones that I think are more compelling) On July 14 2013 07:51 Umasi wrote: that's not me letting him (Gotard) off the hook, that's me saying "superfluous or jrkirby" On July 15 2013 08:09 Umasi wrote: Like, at this point, I'm losing the motivation to talk about it (Gotard) at the time, because Superfluous and Kirby are just objectively scummier people. From his current posts, I don't think he's scummy enough to warrant a switch. I don't think he's too scummy at all, tbth He gives independent reasoning for his reads, and has good thought, he's just not posting very frequently On July 15 2013 08:33 Umasi wrote: WHISPER WHISPER Gotard, I do not think, is the best lynch Koshi has said some good stuff, said some absolutely shit stuff, and is absolutely going to be incompetent as we get later in the game. I still think this is not town-town. On July 15 2013 08:48 Umasi wrote: btw last minute vote swaps SUCK just throwing that out there. don't get any ideas aside from the two candidates we have, we can look at others later On July 16 2013 07:50 Umasi wrote: slightly scummy: Gotard, Night, Koshi, Gotard is only very slightly scummy though. Koshi and Night I'm a lot less sure on, Koshi has been around a lot and posted pretty erratically, and has done basically nothing to help town, but hasn't necessarily played like a scum would (imo) Night is just weird, fuck it, post more, lynch all lurkers etcetcetcetcetc (has done nothing blah blah) Preferred lynch: STILL SUPERFLUOUS He's done nothing to make me want to lynch him less, it was just a competition between Kirby and him, he's gone silent, I still think he's a better lynch, would like to pursue this as a lynch. I think I talked about everyone. Lynch order is Superfluous>Night>Koshi>Gotard unless something happens to change my mind. On July 17 2013 04:16 Umasi wrote: If neither of them post, I'll happily lynch Gotard or Superfluous, (Super slightly more) If one of them posts, well it obviously depends. | ||
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On July 18 2013 10:28 Umasi wrote: So you think I soft defended Gotard all game, is that the gist of what you're saying? Yes. At the very least, you were countering any attempts to wagon Gotard on day 1 long before we started to worry about ensuring a lynch. | ||
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On July 18 2013 11:01 Umasi wrote: Then why is it wholly dependent on Superfluous being town? Because you wanted to keep the wagons as Kirby vs Super, while your vote was on Super who you thought was more scummy. Although you voted for Super before I did, you did not give much reasoning and later sheeped my reasoning. You allowed Sponge to move your vote between Kirby and Super, but not onto Gotard. On July 18 2013 11:01 Umasi wrote: Honestly, I don't think that what I've done could be construed as trying to keep the wagons off of Gotard, since I still was happy to hop on Gotard when the time came. As soon as day 2 started you voted for Super with little reasoning. That was consistent with your previous position and Super had not given you any reason to think otherwise. But then after Chrom and Sponge voted for Gotard, you sheeped onboard using some of my reasoning. To be fair, it would have been hard to provide your own reasoning as there was not a great deal to go on. There is no individual point of inconsistency, but you did hold the position of 'lynch someone other that Gotard' for a long time and you did provide input to keep the wagons on other people, you did immediately drop your day 2 vote on the most sheepable target and then move it to Gotard once some of the stronger town personalities were having a hard look at him. | ||
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Please do try not to sheep though. Also, trust your judgement more on your scum reads. Voting for the wrong person does not make you bad, as long as you provide solid reasoning. | ||
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On July 18 2013 11:46 Umasi wrote: hz, what do you think of Superfluous now? His day 2 posts have been much better than his day 1 posts, and as you say his most recent one was the best. Since he has not posted as much as other people there is limited information to explore. I do not think anyone is going to forget about Super at this point, so the best thing to do is to try to engage Super and try to get more from him (I have been bad at engaging people so far, need to work on that). I do not think that Super is the scummiest player in the game at this point, but it's early in the phase and I have not fully digested the info from Gotard's flip yet (tired - brain not working). | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:55 Alakaslam wrote: I'm on page two and already a huge mood swing. I would call this null but for his atrocious spelling. Refuse autocorrect or something. I like to have fun, if I continue to be this poor in reads this may be my last few games of forum mafia. So... I'll go out with a bang or it won't last I'll get better thanks. Your a noob, that's why you are in a newbie game. Do not expect your reads to be good. That's like killing 10 marines with a banshee on your third every game of SC2...you need practice. Post your case on Nightcat anyway, even if the conclusion is not scum. | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote: By the way, I did something stupid. Here are my reads: Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day. Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later. Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him.  Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange. Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on. Umasi: town. Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is. Wish I wasn't such a fool. There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players? If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads. | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: Sorry posting from hospital, feeling bad but will be out later today. Im off nightcat now, he and gotard arent scum together look at there interactions with each other I doubt they would bus each other that hard. Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. Hurricane is only slightly scum to me and I will take my sights off him for a bit, still think he has alot of scummy posts though. So you think that Alaka is scum by process of elimination? You thought that Sponge and Nightcat were scum. Then Gotard flipped. You did not think that Gotard and Nightcat were scum together so you now think Nightcat is more town. Part of your case on Sponge was Scum-scum with Nightcat, so you think that Sponge is less scum now. Is that correct? Any other reasons why you think Alaka is scum? (get well soon :p ) | ||
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On July 19 2013 03:27 Superfluous wrote: I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination? I am not sure if this was directed at Alaka or me, but I will answer anyway. I think it is likely that his scum reads are based on elimination, except possibly for his read on you (Super). With 9 players still in the game I do not like using process of elimination. Additionally, I am surprised that people are getting so many strong town reads. Even my strongest town reads could very well be scum at this point. On day 3, I might be able to actually confirm a town read or two, but I cannot at the moment so I am surprised that other people can. Perhaps what bothers me the most is that he lightly FoS' me during the night phase. Alakaslam has seen me play before and should know that that is completely pointless at this stage. If he actually thinks that I am scum then he should of hit me with a solid case. I like to defend solid cases against myself, as it gives me a chance to examine the person who is attacking me. I do not like it when someone calls me scummy without providing good reasons, because it makes it difficult for me to get a read on my attacker. @Alakaslam Why do you think I am scum? Why do you think Xzavier is scum? | ||
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What is your read on me and why? | ||
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Do you still think that Onegu is scum? If so, has your reasoning changed at all? If not, why not? I dont mind if you answer now or include it in your end of night post. | ||
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Can you elaborate on your read on Umasi at some point, please. From what I can see you had him go from town to scum mostly because he was not night-killed and stopped posting as much after day 1? Also because you did not expect town-Umasi to pressure you so much on day 2? Anything else? Also, you have been calling Xzavier scum since day 1. Can you make a fresh case on him? | ||
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On day 1, Umasi begins by focussing on Super and Nightcat, because they are lurking. He does not mention Gotard, although perhaps because Gotard had not yet posted at all. Umasi then votes for Super, until Chrom attacks Stim and then Umasi just follows Chrom onto Stim. Once people start to defend Stim and it looks like a wagon may not form, Umasi goes back onto Super. His reasoning seems to be that Super has very different reads to what he has. Umasi later just agrees with my reasons for lynching Super, and asks Rainbows to do the same. On July 14 2013 07:39 Umasi wrote: This this all of this. @ RAINBOWS You played in a game where Kirby got mislynched, what do you think of this? Do you think he's scummy or not? Are you still going to stick with Gotard when there are more compelling cases out there to be on? (At least, ones that I think are more compelling) Notice that he has happy for Rainbows to vote for Super or Kirby (because Chrom made a case on Kirby and Umasi is happy to sheep Chrom). However, Umasi seems to think that Rainbows should drop his case on Gotard and not try to push it any further. Then when I suggest that it does not yet have to be a two horse race, Umasi says that we should keep it between Kirby and Super. On July 14 2013 07:48 hzflank wrote: Let's not let Gotard off of the hook that easily. He still has not given us a firm scum read with reasoning behind it. On July 14 2013 07:51 Umasi wrote: that's not me letting him off the hook, that's me saying "superfluous or jrkirby" Umasi is not sure who he wants lynched, as long as the focus stays on Super and Kirby. On July 15 2013 04:02 Umasi wrote: hm~still not positive who I want dead more t.t (caught up now) Jrkirby, what do you think about the case on Superfluous? You've hardly mentioned him ever. Superfluous, same to you, what do you think about the case on Jrkirby? Please don't say something noncommittal like "oh third party probably herpaderp" We don't even know if there is a third party, I don't accept that as a read at this stage in the game On July 15 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote: Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often. On July 15 2013 07:37 Umasi wrote: Not finished reading, want to reply before I forget Yes, I accept that they are both absolutely acceptable lynch targets Ooh, I am totally wrong, Umasi is going to look at Gotard. I wonder if he will find Gotard scummy? On July 15 2013 07:54 Umasi wrote: so I'm going to go write a case on Gotard, I have no idea if it will return town or mafia I'm going to see what happens though, expect one soon. On July 15 2013 08:09 Umasi wrote: Not a very good list, doesn't explain much. I am not one to get angry over list posts, but whatever, some people hate it GUYS IT'S A LIST He jokes about xzav and I, presumably for wanting to lynch him early last game. He states he's confused, his scum reads don't think Stim is mafia, does not explain WHO his scum reads are, then goes along with the increasing consensus on StiM. These three posts, I really REALLY like these three posts by him. He's looking at the right things, even if he may or may not be correct (we have no idea if he was legitimately mad or just pretend flipping out) Like, at this point, I'm losing the motivation to talk about it at the time, because Superfluous and Kirby are just objectively scummier people. From his current posts, I don't think he's scummy enough to warrant a switch. I don't think he's too scummy at all, tbth He gives independent reasoning for his reads, and has good thought, he's just not posting very frequently Only 3 people should be moving their votes so that a third wagon is not possible? On July 15 2013 08:17 Umasi wrote: the tribunal is OUR GLORIOUS LEADER, Rainbows, and me Basically we will swap votes wherever to prevent no lynch shenaniganry. On July 15 2013 08:33 Umasi wrote: WHISPER WHISPER Gotard, I do not think, is the best lynch Koshi has said some good stuff, said some absolutely shit stuff, and is absolutely going to be incompetent as we get later in the game. I still think this is not town-town. On July 15 2013 08:48 Umasi wrote: btw last minute vote swaps SUCK just throwing that out there. don't get any ideas aside from the two candidates we have, we can look at others later Later, on day 2, Umasi immediately votesSuper without good reason. He only later votes for Gotard when the writing is on the wall. See my conversation with Umasi, starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227¤tpage=97#1927 | ||
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