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Why I am pushing Chroma
I am pushing Chroma because I think his defense of Superfluous isn't what an unknown townie would do. I know that Superfluous gave a couple reasons left and right why he thought Xzavier was scum. But it wasn't enough that a townie would trust Superfluous on a level that Chroma did.
Superfluous whole case against Xzavier is this: "Inactive Xzavier putted me on top of a scumlist, my gutread here is that Xzavier is scum"
Read the Superfluous posts pretty please. Do you agree with me? There wasn't much of a big case Superfluous was making right?
If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did.
Is it justified that Chroma was defending Superfluous and ignoring Kirby?
This is the question that I want everybody to answer.
+ Show Spoiler +Superfluous was considered a scumread because his early posts, not only because of his case against Xzavier obviously, but during the lynch I started suspecting Chroma and pushed him hard around the Superfluous vs Xzavier case. I made a post +-2 hours ago that isn't easy to read but there I explained my thought process behind my pushing against Chroma during lynch. I didn't have a clear view on the situation during the lynch, but the core of why I am pushing Chroma is explained in this post.
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On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhh
The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that.
One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all.
@Onegu
Can you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it.
1)One of Super or Koshi is scum
a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion?
b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us?
2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip.
a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2.
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I see that I am on your scumlist.
Do you have question for me?
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Do I have to reply somewhere?
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On July 15 2013 19:22 Onegu wrote:You dont have too you can say you dont want I guess...
No I mean, do you have question for me? You are just analysing the bad parts in my log, ignoring some other things.
The question is? Are the points that you just summed up me being scum? Or is it just me being me?
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I ll say this:
1) In no way there is an association between me and S. Hurricane, however, I did like his posts during D1.
2) A lot of posts that you take out my filter is put out of context, while I agree I was being overdramatical sometimes. ex. Me reading wrong what Chroma said about the no lynch, that was bad of me and I apologized for that.
3) a couple times your interpretation me is wrong or I meant something else.
ex. On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
I am saying the same thing as you. Vanilla Townies should do their best during day and then die from a KP.
ex. Really no reads? You let them have power and told people to sheep them.
I have no reads on the interactions between the council and other people. My read on the council members was pro town at that moment.
ex.Why do we want this to happen? What good comes from his claim here it is so much worse that he lived and scum would know he was blue.
I never said directly at super to reveal his role. I asked the people in the thread if we wanted to know the role. I was interested at the reactions, I made it clear that I didn't want to know kirbys role after Rainbow said that both kirby and super should speak up to reveal their role.
I just hate this, when someone asks give your points.
I gave my points more than enough on why it was better to save kirby and lynch super. Are you going to tell me that I didn't? I fucking worked my ass off. But I was taunting Chroma there, I agree. But I also said why.
Again keep wagons the same, but you are also ok with a no lynch?
No lynch was my 4th option? If nobody wanted to other 3 I wasn't willing to discuss a 4th option at that point. Meh. I agree that that is narrowminded. But these 3 options should have been enough. Everybody found Super, Kirby more than scummy enough at the point I said that. I also replied on the question who my top lynch targets where.
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My English is horrible sometimes. So you got to read through the silly mistakes. I also don't have a autocorrect installed at work.
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Onegu would you like to answer the questions I asked you?
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On July 15 2013 19:58 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +I am saying the same thing as you. Vanilla Townies should do their best during day and then die from a KP. Ok I am sorry here you are correct I read to fast.
np. I can't say it never happens to me :D
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[QUOTE]On July 15 2013 20:09 Onegu wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 15 2013 16:27 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhh
The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that.
One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all.[/QUOTE]
@Onegu
Can you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it.
1)One of Super or Koshi is scum
a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion?
b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us?
2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip.
a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2.[/QUOTE]
1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake.
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You got to know that Chroma was defending Super the whole time, I can quote Chroma a couple times where he says Super is NOT scum. Him suddenly typing that either Super or I might be scum because Jirby flipped town is suspicious because it is illogical as hell to go change on Super.
You must know that Chroma had been defending Super 6 hours, he read all Super his logs, he thought all super his actions through, and then when kirby flips town Super is suspicious? That doesn't make sense, you don't think like that.
Unless you already know that Super is scum and you are creating a distance?
Why did Chroma add that it is Super or Koshi?
There is no correlation between me and Super. You can not make this assumption. Why is Chroma saying this? Maybe trying to keep the option "Koshi" open and try to save Super after all?
There are more posts like this. Where Chroma made suspicious posts that no townie would do. Like seeing that Superfluous made a case against Xzavier. No Townie here saw that. Nobody saw that case like Chroma saw it. I am not willing to also point that out again. But if you want...
The difference between my bad play (tunneling on super and kirby) and Chroma his bad play is that Chroma did silly things that no Townie would do. You disagree?
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EDITED VERSION OF THE POST ABOVE THIS
On July 15 2013 20:09 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 16:27 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhh
The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that.
One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. @OneguCan you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it. 1)One of Super or Koshi is scum a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion? b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us? 2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip. a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2. 1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake.2. I will be biased here because I know the flip already so it is hard for me to answer this. I dont think super is scum. You guys hardly ever went off bandwagon. You let hurricane control this, not saying it is 100% your fault as anyone could have spoken up. I feel it is easier for scum to hide in majority lynch as there wont be 3 bandwagons so when all the votes will be on only 2 people scum has good reasons for being on a bandwagon as it is harder to analyse flips because no one will be off a bandwaggon.
You got to know that Chroma was defending Super the whole time, I can quote Chroma a couple times where he says Super is NOT scum. Him suddenly typing that either Super or I might be scum because Jirby flipped town is suspicious because it is illogical as hell to go change on Super.
You must know that Chroma had been defending Super 6 hours, he read all Super his logs, he thought all super his actions through, and then when kirby flips town Super is suspicious? That doesn't make sense, you don't think like that.
Unless you already know that Super is scum and you are creating a distance?
Why did Chroma add that it is Super or Koshi?
There is no correlation between me and Super. You can not make this assumption. Why is Chroma saying this? Maybe trying to keep the option "Koshi" open and try to save Super after all?
There are more posts like this. Where Chroma made suspicious posts that no townie would do. Like seeing that Superfluous made a case against Xzavier. No Townie here saw that. Nobody saw that case like Chroma saw it. I am not willing to also point that out again. But if you want...
The difference between my bad play (tunneling super) and Chroma his bad play(tunneling on kirby) is that Chroma did silly things that no Townie would do. You disagree?
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I am not willing going to also point that out again. But if you want...
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On July 15 2013 21:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 21:14 Koshi wrote:EDITED VERSION OF THE POST ABOVE THISOn July 15 2013 20:09 Onegu wrote:On July 15 2013 16:27 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhh
The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that.
One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. @OneguCan you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it. 1)One of Super or Koshi is scum a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion? b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us? 2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip. a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2. 1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake.2. I will be biased here because I know the flip already so it is hard for me to answer this. I dont think super is scum. You guys hardly ever went off bandwagon. You let hurricane control this, not saying it is 100% your fault as anyone could have spoken up. I feel it is easier for scum to hide in majority lynch as there wont be 3 bandwagons so when all the votes will be on only 2 people scum has good reasons for being on a bandwagon as it is harder to analyse flips because no one will be off a bandwaggon. You got to know that Chroma was defending Super the whole time, I can quote Chroma a couple times where he says Super is NOT scum. Him suddenly typing that either Super or I might be scum because Jirby flipped town is suspicious because it is illogical as hell to go change on Super. You must know that Chroma had been defending Super 6 hours, he read all Super his logs, he thought all super his actions through, and then when kirby flips town Super is suspicious? That doesn't make sense, you don't think like that. Unless you already know that Super is scum and you are creating a distance? Why did Chroma add that it is Super or Koshi?
There is no correlation between me and Super. You can not make this assumption. Why is Chroma saying this? Maybe trying to keep the option "Koshi" open and try to save Super after all?There are more posts like this. Where Chroma made suspicious posts that no townie would do. Like seeing that Superfluous made a case against Xzavier. No Townie here saw that. Nobody saw that case like Chroma saw it. I am not willing to also point that out again. But if you want... The difference between my bad play (tunneling super) and Chroma his bad play(tunneling on kirby) is that Chroma did silly things that no Townie would do. You disagree? I dont know why he did this, and he needs to answer. What I am saying is it is the same thing as saying kirby or chrome is scum, neither statement has any foundation. I will go over chromes filter, but while reading the thread I remember agreeing with alot of his points early in the game and most scum arent leading one of the day 1 bandwagons, which made me slightly town on him. I want to say something real fast also, defending someone even if they flip scum is a scumtell, at least that is what happahuli told me in scum QT NMMXLII.
Chrom said a lot of things that you could agree with, he made me look silly sometimes. But that doesn't mean he isn't scum. You have to look at some of the assumptions he made, the ignoring of the defense Kirby made, the ignoring of the case vs Godart that Kirby made.
There is a post where Chroma defends Super by saying that survival is a townplay, and that is a town thing to do when somebody makes a case against you that you defend yourself. It was a really good post by Chroma. But why did Chroma ignore the BIG DEFENSE Kirby made on Chroma his post about Kirby. Chroma gave it not enough attention at all, and it was a really good defense. This is suspicious.
There are really multiple things like this. Chroma makes good posts but ignores obvious things that someone like Chroma doesn't do on purpose.
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purpose = accident.
ffs I make silly mistakes without EDIT.
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On July 15 2013 21:52 Chromatically wrote:
The Super/Koshi thing was already explained, it was preliminary feeling right after the flip. Both of them cold be scum, but they're not both scum. So the most likely case is that one of them is scum.
I'm still rereading the thread, so you'll have my actual scumreads before the night end.
I have absolutely no idea what your point is with the Xzavier thing.
I really don't know how the "Chrom hates lists" thing got started. Posting lists of lurkers is bad because it's really easy to do as scum, but it wasn't a huge point.
My point is that I can quote 3 people now that say superfluous had NO BASE on why to call Xzavier scum, let alone vote on him. You were the only one who saw that, and even gave 5 reasons why. The worst reasons ever if I may add.
It is another case of you seeing things that nobody else sees.
But I am going to let everything about Chroma rest for now. I need to read more opinions from other players.
If you want, you can still ask me to explain things about you ofcourse Chroma. But I need to take a look at this "counsil". Because as soon as that was formed they added JACK SHIT to why Kirby and Super needed to get lynch, they were actually thinking they were the special ones that could just read opinions and then make the verdict, without giving reasons themselves.
Look at Umasi whos gut said super vote.
Look at Rainbow whos gut said super vote.
Their only input was gut vote for super when they made the holy tribunal.
I don't know yet if it is something. But it might have been suspicious. However, I think they did it for good fun.
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Ok, I ll let it rest. I can be wrong here.
Chromo without rereading the filter. What is your opinion on the Tribunal and what did they actually added to the discussion?
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Onega, What is your opinion on StiMaDDict?
Ignore his initial drama, did he look capable at playing this game?
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@ H Sponge.
When I said Super scummy I am quoting somebody that said that I said that Umasi and Chroma are super scummy, as in really scummy. While I just replied to somebody asking my 2 fav lynches.
For the other thing I would like to refer to my previous post.
You can see in my log that I wasn't really invested yet in this game. You can see that on page 2 of my filter 5 messages in that page I was still pretty not caring about this game. But after the defense of Superfluous by Chroma I got attached for some reason, I wanted to pressure Chroma and the result is the clusterfuck we had yesterday.
At the end of the deadline I was so committed and was tunneling so hard on this Chroma vs Koshi stuff that I couldn't care less about the tribunal. It was also quite clear that we had a majority. So I didn't have to switch, so I didn't.
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