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On July 15 2013 10:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Just got here, 'sup Umasi, 'Sup Onegu? Seems I'll be joining the latter in reading up...
You better make scum reads this game or I am 4rlz comeing after you.
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yeah, I'd like you guys to read up and keep a running log of your thoughts
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On July 15 2013 10:13 Onegu wrote:Sorry hope you guus dont mind if I post as I go, some of it may have been addressed already but I want to give my take like it just happend. I would have been all over the stim lynch. I really want to lynch all liars. Then hurricane says Show nested quote +Immediately, the first thing I thought of was that there is no way in hell the scum QT would let him continue ranting and raving like this. They would have told him immediately to chill out and claim he was joking too, or something. Bolding because this is the first real revelation I've had on this case. There is no way you can know this my first game sometimes I would ask a question and not get a reponse for hours, so there is no way you should ever make this assumption.
Frankly, when I start to catch up I'd like to do the same.
This is an excellent point especially in a newbie game, but back when I thought I was going to have your spot I had read that much, he seems like disgruntled town. But worth a look yes...
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On July 15 2013 10:17 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 10:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Just got here, 'sup Umasi, 'Sup Onegu? Seems I'll be joining the latter in reading up... You better make scum reads this game or I am 4rlz comeing after you.
Hahah, that's probably a town Onegu talking there.
Yes, I'll keep a running log of my thoughts, what substance they have. This thread is 50+ pages though, I see where cauc could be coming from XD
Just glad I had read a bit earlier.
First, imma check my own filter. See if I had any good points before I was me 
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On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum.
...... Uhh that was quick.
I hope nobody listened to this, that is what SCUM wants to do, the difference is town wants to FIND SCUM and PROVE (your own)INNOCENCE. Finding justifications for voting is how you start a good mislynch.
Heheh poor c-9, what made him leave?
Be back. Let me know if you agreed with this and Chrom, you may have 'splainin to do if you didn't already 
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On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote:
you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi
At least I'm here now, right :D...
....Right? ... :s
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On July 15 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:
Whoa is it still day 1?
Please answer this quickly anyone who is active and knows
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On July 15 2013 10:33 Alakaslam wrote:Please answer this quickly anyone who is active and knows
Yes. This was Day 1 lynch. We are all crazy.
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On July 15 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:
Whoa is it still day 1?
yeah it is night one, we mislynched Jrkirby
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On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote:
you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s
no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play
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On July 14 2013 05:56 Chromatically wrote:KirbyStim's case on Kirby takes a lot of stuff that's not scummy and says it is, but it also has good points (some of which are probably repeated here). Here's what I don't like: a) fluff about Sponge's first post b) wishy-washy reads c) lurker list d) Stim interactions a) fluff about Sponge's first postA large amount of Kirby's early posting is talking about Sponge's pregame post and trying to get him to post it. He only starts doing this light pressure AFTER I start it. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Scum are always looking for some way to post so that they seem town without actually doing anything. This pregame thing is something VERY easy for scum to comment on and lightly push. He notices that I'm a little suspicious and seizes on it so that he can post something at all. Notice how very lightly he's pressuring: Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:03 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Umasi, stop defending me. Don't defend people in general. It's more valuable to hear them defend themselves by tenfold. (Also, I don't want you handcuffing yourself to my ankle then flipping scum and having Town waste a bunch of time re-vetting me.) On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM. Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? This is a very reasonable request, but unfortunately I will not be posting it at this time for a couple reasons. First, it's not as impressive as the one I posted. Second, I intend to stay active in this community and will probably end up using a version of it at some point when (if?) I ever get that 'You Are Scum' PM. You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. The first one is a conversational question, the second one is a suggestion. When I pressure someone I think is suspicious, I don't "suggest" things to them and tell them "what they ought to do". He doesn't actually care about getting the post, he just wants to look like he does.b) wishy-washy readsShow nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:
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Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum?
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I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote:On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:
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You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum.
But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town.
? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. Why is there no point in pushing it? There's no reason to not push it if you think it was scummy, and if you were pushing it for the sake of having something to do, just go do something else. Still, more people, what do you think of Superfluous post and then disappearance? Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote:
Kirby, who do you think is scum? Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank This is just generic wishy-washiness and unwillingness to commit to reads. Townies have at least some scum reads that they provide to the thread and push, at least a little. Kirby hasn't pushed a scumread all game. Kirby hasn't even had a scumread that he couldn't easily back out of. As scum, Kirby can easily justify a vote on anyone now because he doesn't have any reads out there. c) lurker listShow nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote:
Koshi
Xzavier
Nightcat99
Gotard
cloud-9
These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". This should be pretty obvious, but lurker lists are scummy in general. Everyone knows who hasn't posted. There's no reason to post something like this as town, it's totally useless. Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful. Scum think that lists like this will look pro town and give them something to post about so that they seem active. d) Stim interactionsShow nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:32 jrkirby wrote:
Keep your cool stim, rainbows just misinterpreted your post, that's all. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote:On July 13 2013 13:08 Umasi wrote:
Nightcat, the best way to establish innocence is to scum hunt, it's always time to scumhunt. Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. Kirby consoles Stim twice during the game. Read both of these (especially the second one), and ask yourself why does it seem like Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town?Look at that second quote. "You won't play your best when you're tilting." There's not a HINT of doubt in that post that Stim is town. That's not something that you post to someone that you're even slightly suspicious of. "Well this makes sense if he has a town read on Stim, right?" Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Apart from the simple fact that he's trying to leave his options open to switch on the wagon later, this is COMPLETELY at odds with his subconscious attitude toward Stim in the previous conversation. ##Unvote##Vote: jrkirby
Chromatically has jumped to a conclusion here I disagree with somewhat. Kirby could be doing what I have considered: treated someone like 100% town not because you believe it to be so, but because they are clearly having a breakdown and might be town.
And tunnel much! And who cares who I lynch! I hope we aren't lynching Kirby based on this?? Ppl sheeped him same page!
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On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote:yeah it is night one, we mislynched Jrkirby
FAAAAK I wish I was here we lynch Chrom guys. He is totes scum, dude every noob should try a normal after one game if they like it- you learn 1,000x as fast.
What page is the flip on, what is his role? Was he blue?
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On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote:
you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play
Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated!
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Onegu how far In are you? You see page 27 yet?
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On July 15 2013 10:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote:
you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated!
ROFL
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On July 15 2013 10:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 10:38 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 10:29 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2013 16:51 Umasi wrote:
you are right, I may have been confirmation biasing my way through that, but,,,,,,,eh,,,,,,eh,,,.....like
dunno.
mafias hard, that's why I didn't want to play t.t
and then alakaslam got me to play
and
then
BAILED
that was irrelevant ignore it all haha
Ah shit Umasi At least I'm here now, right :D... ....Right? ... :s no hard feelings, now come mire in the muck of my mediocre mafia play Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated!
You're right, you caught me!
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