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Thanks Rainbows. I never accused you of being mafia btw, as the night phase is not really the time to make strong accusations.
I can see that your mind was jumping around (the quotes I posted make that obvious), but my concern is that you did not care who gets lynched. My mind was jumping around too, and I was not willing to let a no lynch happen, but it was still important to me that we lynch the person who is most likely to flip scum.
We were in different positions though as I had a wagon on my read, and we are probably both new to the majority vote system. I can see how you would do that from a town perspective. I just do not like it when people do not care who gets lynched (due to prior experience).
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On July 16 2013 01:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I thought it was valuable for Town to control the lynch. I wanted to undermine the mafia's ability to switch votes at the last second.
That's fine, but also very risky on day 1. I had town reads on Umasi and Rainbows too, but I did not trust them.
It might be worth discussing how to avoid this in future. For example, perhaps we could ask everyone to lock in their votes an hour before deadline, and no one is allowed to change as long as there is a majority. If there is not a majority then it gives us say 45 minutes to discuss it, and then we lock in a lynch with 15 minutes to go.
Thoughts?
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I did not catch anything that was edited out. Can anyone else remember and confirm what was in Nightcat's edited post?
I am not saying that Chrom is lying, just that for all I know he might of misinterpreted it. If Chrom's interpretation is accurate then I can see why it was edited.
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On July 16 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
We're lynching Gotard tomorrow btw guise.
Chrom, your case on me is bad. It boils down to me lynching the guy you wanted, and not really caring. Nobody wanted to lynch Gotard so I lynched the other dude. I can't really oppose the lynch when all I can do is watch and write little snippets from my phone at work.
Wait until the deadline before posting any sort of big case, though. We do not want the scum to see our reactions to proposed day 2 lynches until after the night actions are in.
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On July 16 2013 05:33 Nightcat99 wrote:
my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important
Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2?
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On July 16 2013 06:07 Nightcat99 wrote:
To be honest through , i am super confused on how you guys get so much info on the first day
I was like that in my first game too. Once you play a little more then you will understand.
On July 16 2013 06:02 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 05:48 hzflank wrote:On July 16 2013 05:33 Nightcat99 wrote:
my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2? i might have said i feel like he would be a better target for day 2 depending on how super turn out but because of the timing i was posting its really just meant to be a good bye post.
Voting for Kirby to secure a lynch is understandable.
It is not understandable to want to lynch Kirby day 2, if the only reason that you wanted to lynch him day 1 was to secure the lynch.
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On July 16 2013 02:44 Koshi wrote:
When I said Super scummy I am quoting somebody that said that I said that Umasi and Chroma are super scummy, as in really scummy. While I just replied to somebody asking my 2 fav lynches.
That's still inconsistent with wanting to sheep.
On July 16 2013 02:44 Koshi wrote:For the other thing I would like to refer to my previous post. You can see in my log that I wasn't really invested yet in this game. You can see that on page 2 of my filter 5 messages in that page I was still pretty not caring about this game. But after the defense of Superfluous by Chroma I got attached for some reason, I wanted to pressure Chroma and the result is the clusterfuck we had yesterday.
So to put it simply: you went from thinking that Kirby was scum to thinking that he was town because Chrom defended Super.
Okay, that's all I wanted to know for now, thanks.
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Yeah I forgot about that.
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EBWOP: the deadline time mixup, that is.
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On July 16 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd like to hear people's thoughts on a matter regarding last night's Near-Lynch of Superfluous:
Superfluous' vote stayed on Xzavier all day, even in the face of his own impending lynch. Any sane person looking to save themselves would have put that vote onto Kirby at some point late in the day, whether they were Town or Scum. I've tried to logic it out, but I can't come up with anything that seem plausible.
Can anyone come up with reasons for Town and / or for Scum to behave like this?
Nope. Unless he knew for sure that they were both town, which is impossible.
I guess the most likely reason would be that he thought a no-lynch was best in the situation. I do not think that is completely alignment indicative, but it does line up with the feeling I am getting that it was town-town.
Super himself has not actually posted since though. He has given me no reason to think that he is town, yet the rest of the thread has made it look more like town-town than town-scum.
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Do night actions have to be submitted 1 hour before the night ends?
I want to know if I can post freely for an hour, or if I should wait right until the end of the night.
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Last Woollen Testy Men:
General thoughts
We need to stop the sheeping. People need to actually provide reasons for their votes.
There is no way to get a good read on Alakaslam at this point.
Super
Super has not posted anything to make me change my read on him.
The problem that I have with Super being scum is that the day 1 lynch seemed more like town-town than town-scum. There was a great deal of sheeping that began long before the deadline. The fact that Super and Kirby did not attack each other was odd, given the circumstances.
I see poor value in continuing to push Super regarding his play in the early part of day 1. Therefore, I hope to see him post more during day 2 and hopefully someone can engage him and produce fresh information.
Scum until proven more innocent.
Gotard
Scum after 24 hours. Started to make a few better posts but then became a lurker. Finally gave us one scum read, but has not pushed it.
Needs to be pressured on day 2, at the very least. Must not be allowed to lurk to avoid being lynched.
Nightcat
Needs to give us some reads with original reasoning. It is his first game so we can let him off for not doing that on day 1, but he cannot be allowed to just sheep forever.
I did not like the fact that he thought that Kirby would be a better day 2 target.
Rainbows
His apathy about the day 1 lynch is understandable, but still alarming. He started the game very confident but suddenly lost his confidence, even though he was never put under any pressure.
Chrom
I cannot see a good scum motivation for his defence of Super. If he had started to defend his late then it could be scum association. But Chrom started defending Super at a point when scum just did not need to, regardless of Super's alignment.
Ask yourself this: If Super is town, why would a scum-chrom of defended him so heavily? If Super is scum, why would a scum-chrom of started to defend him so early?
Umasi
Although there are some individual points that look scummy, there is just so much town in his filter.
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Wanted to post more but got distracted and out of time. If I die, pressure Super and Gotard on day 2. Dont let people keep sheeping.
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That's why you do not give your strong town reads during the night phase. But Nightcat is new, so he would not know that.
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On July 16 2013 09:06 Nightcat99 wrote:
just curious if none of you guys on the tribunal die , does that make me less suspicious?
Not really. Scum control the NK. It can be hard for town to read a lot into it.
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To elaborate on that: In this game you get trapped by circular logic. There are certain things that you cannot deduce until you have some constants. The Nightkill target is one of these things.
We do not talk about things during the night phase that might help scum to better direct their kill, but we cannot deduce too much information from that kill.
Day phase belongs to town, night phase belongs to scum.
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Wine In Front Of Me.
I have 2 glasses of wine. You know that one of them is poisoned. I give one of the glasses to you. Which glass do you want to drink from?
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EBWOP
You do not know which glass is poisoned, only that one of them is. I know which glass I poisoned and will let you choose which to drink. The one that I gave to you or the one that I kept for myself?
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Vig cannot shoot night 1, read the setup info.
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