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On July 15 2013 07:30 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons. 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over. Because he believes very strongly in his read. This is the towniest thing since Lord Patrick Townington went to townville. He doesn't have a self-preservation instinct because he's town, and not under suspicion. He can throw himself around with abandon like this because he has mental freedom scum does not possess. Attacking Chrom will get you nowhere with me. Focus on the subjects. Chrom's whole defense of Super was that town should put self-preservation first. You're not this bad. You were calling Super scum for wanting to stay alive. I am saying that that's not scummy. It's even in a guide posted at the top of the forum.
I could probably find 3 guides that say the opposite, and you could probably find yet another 3 to back up your point. Not to mention that the guide you posted was not about self-preservation.
And you know full well that I was not calling Super scum because he wanted to stay alive. I am calling Super scum because staying alive was more important to him than scum-hunting. There is a big difference.
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On July 15 2013 07:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
To the rest of y'all, is there anyone else that is okay with lynching either target tonight? I know you may lean one way or another, but to avoid mafia deadline shenanigans that may lead to a No Lynch (or mislynch) day, this would work better with one more person.
I do not want a no lynch to happen.
Also, I do not think that I am a player who is ever entrenched in a position.
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And there's the WIFOM hell :/
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On July 15 2013 08:02 Rainbows wrote:
Literally we could lynch either guy and mafiandoesnt seem to give two shits.
How do you know that?
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On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF?
Why?
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On July 15 2013 08:13 Koshi wrote:
So you want scum to know if kirby is blue? How is this ever good?
I don't want scum to know that anyone is blue. If someone is blue then that is their business. If they every choose to claim then that is their business. We have not even had any night actions take place yet, so there is no way to prove the claims anyway.
We should not be asking anyone to claim. Why did you want Super to claim, but not Kirby? Why one person but not another?
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People should not think about what happens if someone flips scum. If someone flips scum then that is a win, plain and simple.
Considering what happens if someone flips town hold more weight, although with 13 people still in the game even that is WIFOM.
I suggest just asking yourselves: Of all the players we could possibly hope to lynch today, who is the most likely to flip scum?
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On July 15 2013 08:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
hz, you okay with this? I hate to break your heart.
I find the Nightcat vote suspicious.
Look at this from a scum point of view. If you, Umasi and Rainbows are town and one of the wagons is scum, then scum will not allow their man to be lynched. They would end day 1 a man down and the town would already have a strong core with reason to believe that each other are town. Based on the game setup that is too hard of a position for scum to win from.
Therefore, I still think that you are on the wrong wagon.
On the other hand, if one or more of you (Sponge, Umasi or Rainbows) are scum then we have more scum control the the lynch that than we would like, so I think that you are on the wrong wagon.
I think that there is more chance of Super flipping scum than Kirby.
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On July 15 2013 08:50 Nightcat99 wrote:
lol hzflank my vote is not suspicious because they dont need my vote for a switch. regardless who i vote they still have 3 people to lynch either kirby or super, my vote is just away to prove my innocents and that i am mobile and active now.
I admit, I should of thought of that. Still, it's only true so long as Super adds the hammer vote. he probably would, but it is not guaranteed.
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I'm too tired to think about associations at the moment, I will do that tomorrow, but it's probably not the most useful thing to do anyway.
I would like to see Onegu's opinion on the events of day 1, once he has caught up.
I cannot really do much more tonight. Not only is it 2 am and I am tired, but it is really really really hot (yes, even at 2 am) and as a Brit I cannot think straight in this heat.
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Just caught up. Initial thoughts:
Chrom and Super are not both scum. That's the only really solid association that I see. Chrom started to heavily defend Super 8 hours before the lynch, and that would never of happened if they were both scum. So to the people who are already making that association I suggest that you think along other lines.
I do not like that whole council thing. It made it too easy to sheep. It was too early in the game for players to have such solid town reads on each other. I almost feel like people tried to put a reverse-sheep on me where I was told I that I should not move my vote (I will vote as I think best, I do not need other people to give me reasons to vote).
First order of business is to be a play by play on the council thing.
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On July 15 2013 23:46 Nightcat99 wrote:
I just woke up but i have a question i been thinking about.
Regardless that there is a mislynch, do you think the scum will kill one of the tribunal tonight to ensure that theres less voting power tonight, and if none of them die tonight does that make a the tribunal suspicious?
I suggest that we think of everyone as individuals and not units/teams. If we think of those 3 players as a team when they are not confirmed town then we risk giving the scum too much control over the game.
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On July 16 2013 00:09 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@ Umasi
@ Rainbows
We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.
First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates? If you want to look at the "tribunal" have a gander at where it started. If he is NK Ill eat my tablet and post the pics.
Actually I think it may have started when Rainbows makes his case against Gotard, as I will show shortly.
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Sorry this is taking longer than I thought, it's going to be spammy but also interesting. Some players have been very inconstant.
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On July 16 2013 01:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:13 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 05:07 Rainbows wrote:
Not really. I phone post 90% of the time so it's hard to sit down and make a case of it.
I feel like either of them could be scum. Super just toqnreads everyone when as town you should be suspect of everyone I lied this describes Gotard better. My votes on super but I really dont care who's lynched between the two. #Scummylogic How come I got crushed for this but he hardly gets any heat?
I have noted that in the wall of text that I am preparing. He will get heat for it later.
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I'll just post this for now and elaborate on it as I go. I seem to be working very slowly 
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Play by play starting at Rainbows case on Gotard. I will spoiler the first part because it is a wall of text, but I do think that is an interesting read.
+ Show Spoiler +Rainbows thinks that Gotard is scum. Koshi wants to lynch Super. Sponge thinks that Super is lurking. Koshi says that he is going to sheep as he has no targets to lynch (contradicts Koshi's earlier post about lynching Super?).
Rainbows still wants to lynch Gotard. Sponge thinks that Gotard is scum. Sponge thinks that Super is scum. Super thinks that Kirby might be 3P. Umasi votes for Super. Super thinks that hzflank and Xzavier are scum. Hzflank thinks Gotard is scummy. Umasi thinks that Xzav is town. Hzflank thinks that Super is scum. Chrom thinks that Umasi is town. Chrom thinks that Kirby and Xzavier are scum. Umasi thinks that Super is scum.
Chrom makes case on Kirby. Umasi thinks that Super is scum, Kirby second scum. Sponge thinks that Kirby is scum. Hzflank makes case against Super. Chrom begins to defend Super. Koshi votes for Super. Umasi thinks that Super is scum. Umasi does not think Gotard should be lynched today. Hzflank thinks Kirby is scum, but less chance than Super. Rainbows thinks Gotard is scum. Umasi wants the wagons to be between Kirby and Super.
Sponge thinks that Kirby, Super and Gotard all look scummy. Koshi thinks the same, but Super most scum. Xzavier thinks that Super is scum. Koshi defends Kirby. Gotatd votes for Kirby. Umasi says that he is willing to switch his vote to Kirby (worded a lot like he is going to switch his vote once Kirby comes back?)
Koshi is the first to mention consolidating votes, says that both Super and Kirby are perfect targets (perfect targets?!).
Koshi repeats that we should pick one of those 2 targets. Koshi thinks that Super is more likely scum. Kirby thinks Gotard is scum. Kirby thinks Xzavier is scum. Stim thinks that Koshi is scum. Rainbows thinks Gotard is scum but unvotes him as he thinks that Super is the better lynch. Koshi wants people to switch their votes to Super.
Umasi is unsure of whether he wants to lynch Super or Kirby. Super thinks that Kirby is town. Rainbows thinks that Super is scum. Xzavier votes for Super. Rainbows does not care which of Super and Kirby are lynched. Rainbows thinks that Gotard is scum, but is null on Kirby and Super. Stim thinks that Kirby is scum. Nightcat votes for Kirby.
Current situation: Kirby looks like he will be lynched.
Umasi considers switching his vote to Kirby. Xzavier is willing to switch his vote to secure a lynch. Rainbows thinks that Kirby is town, even though he is currently voting for him. Rainbows repeats that he thinks Kirby is town, and adds that he thinks Super might be town also. Umasi thinks Super is scum. Rainbows thinks that Kirby is town.
Sponge unvotes Kirby, he thinks Kirby and Super are both scum but does not want anyone else putting the hammer vote on kirby (What?!).
Rainbows says that he is going to vote for Super, putting Super in the lead. Sponge asks to work together with Umasi and Rainbows, as he thinks that together they control the lynch.
Rainbows thinks that Super and Kirby should both be lynched on days 1 and 2. (Even though he thinks that they are both town?)
Umasi and Rainbows have both agreed to work with Sponge. Umasi says that Super and Kirby are both acceptable lynch targets. Rainbows wants to lynch Gotard. Sponge wants to lynch Super. Nightcat vores for Super.
At this point Super is likely to be lynched.
Umasi wants Super to be lynched. Sponge wants Kirby to be lynched. Rainbows wants Kirby and Super to role claim. Umasi does not want to lynch Gotard. Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows and Nightcat all vote for Kirby. Kirby is lynched.
Will do quick conclusion now with more in depth to follow:
There was far too much sheeping. Half the town was completely willing to just sheep, and this started a long time before the deadline. Sponge basically controlled 4 votes in the end.
There are some glaring inconsistencies that I need to question individuals about. Which will follow in an hour or so.
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@Koshi:
How did you get from Super being scummy to wanting to sheep because you have 'no targets that need to get lynched now'?
On July 14 2013 02:42 Koshi wrote:
Super scummy is putting words in my mouth. I don't like that.
On July 14 2013 04:14 Koshi wrote:
I would sheep. I have no targets that need to get lynched now.
Why did Kirby and Super both look like perfect targets?
What specifically made Kirby become a bad target when you later defended him?
How did you get such a solid town-read on Sponge and Umasi that you were willing to just sheep them? You were so sure of your town reads that you even encouraged others to sheep them.
On July 15 2013 00:10 Koshi wrote:
Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in.
I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case.
Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead.
With more than seven hours until the deadline, why should everyone need to pick one of two targets?
On July 15 2013 00:13 Koshi wrote:
When you follow lead you should also give own reasoning obviously. But at this point we just need to pick one of these 2 targets.
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@ Rainbows
These quotes are confusing. Over a 4 hour period your reads jump around all over the place. You start by sating that you think they are both scummy. You then say that you don't care who is lynched between the two (Kirby and Super) and then that they could be anything. You then think that they both might be town, before becoming stronger in your position that Kirby is town.
On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:
Both dudes on the block are scummy
On July 15 2013 05:02 Rainbows wrote:
My gut says super.
On July 15 2013 05:13 Rainbows wrote:
My votes on super but I really dont care who's lynched between the two. #Scummylogic
On July 15 2013 05:20 Rainbows wrote:
kirby and super could be anything.
On July 15 2013 06:09 Rainbows wrote:dude i have no idea kirby. My gut actually says you're town LOL.
On July 15 2013 06:12 Rainbows wrote:
Kirbys list post corresponds so much with my own musings that hes likely town.
maybe both of these guys are town.
On July 15 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:
Okay so here's my thing.
Kirby is town. His list post and recent activity feels townie.
Super might be scum. Lynch him. But I think both might be town here.
If I'm right I believe Koshi/Gotard/plus one lurker are scumteam.
Id love to explain but again, working atm. Im trying to shoot off what im thinking as we go but it sucks i cant quote here. Will probably be voting super again later.
On July 15 2013 07:26 Rainbows wrote:
Acceptable yes. Im really unsure of who to vote but super seems best imo.
Both might be town.
Why did you not care who was lynched (between Super and Kirby)?
Why were you so willing to let Sponge control your vote when you seemed to strongly think that Kirby was town?
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