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Because you are ready to lynch the whole town practically! I like where in Super's filter he says letting you & Umasi drive could be dangerous!
Also, you tunnel much and then switch tunnel really fast!
Heck where do I start?
But everyone seems to think you are town. Wait a minute while I catch up.
Fwiw: superfluous is town.
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On July 15 2013 11:38 Umasi wrote:
guys, why is chrom scum aside from leading a mislynch.
Hahahahahaha
"Line em up!"
Don't defense just by parroting what he already said if you look like scum together, not only did you make my read on him stronger you added yourself to it. Look at the disagreement I had with him: at first I wanted to get the lynch off Kirby, then I learned Kirby was green and completely went nuts. However, before that? I was already saying (or maybe just thinking) stuff like "tunnel much? Stim doesn't have to be scum" etc
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On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote:
but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following.
Wow wow wow WHAT?
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On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard.
Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak.
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Dude Lose shit meter 100%, in the total opposite fashion to other games. I have LOST IT! I neeeeeeeed to read. If I don't I would tunnel Chrom and Umasi into the dirt even if one flipped town. Gimme a sec!
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On July 15 2013 11:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:49 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard. Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. Superflous has NO CASE on Xzavier. You agree with that right?
Yes... Or very little at least. He may have thought it was a case.
On July 15 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:48 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote:
but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Wow wow wow WHAT? Ask anybody of the people that sheeped. That is the reason they will give you. I don't see a problem.
HOLY- THAT IS THE PROLEM YOU JUST SAID THE PROBLEM
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On July 15 2013 11:51 Umasi wrote:
I think he's townier than a lot of people give him credit for, but whatever. my reads are apparently worth jack in the face of mighty Alakaslam.
by the way
you are literally trying to build post flip cred by saying "oh I think kirby's town. Wait, he's town? WHAT A COINKIDINK!"
I have a hard time believing that you'd just enter the thread and be like "huh the games been going on, and I'm in it. That means someone was modkilled, or requested a replacement, which will occur at the end of the day."
"huh it must be the middle of the day."
I'd assume that the first thing you did was LOOK AT THE RESULT.
Ok, I'm sorry for being so bombastic but after the Mind rape that is NWM this game looks solved practically.
But when I think about it, I always look scummy too, so I'll read like suggested.
But holy shizang you are right, my confidence has shot to 10,000%
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On July 15 2013 11:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:52 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 11:50 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 11:49 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Control-F "Xzavier" in his filter, it's not hard. Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. Superflous has NO CASE on Xzavier. You agree with that right? Yes... Or very little at least. He may have thought it was a case. On July 15 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 11:48 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 11:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote:
but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. Wow wow wow WHAT? Ask anybody of the people that sheeped. That is the reason they will give you. I don't see a problem. HOLY- THAT IS THE PROLEM YOU JUST SAID THE PROBLEM I know that it is very bad that they did that. But in this case it is not a scumread. We were posting like madman, they were overwhelmed and decided to follow the council that consisted out of everybody his townreads. Hz, and I were making cases to save kirby and to lynch super. Chroma was doing the opposite. Counsil decided that this was enough and added jack shit. Eventually they decided on Kirby lynch.
Both r bad
Read dat filter
Ok so maybe Chrom is town LEMME READ
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: Show nested quote +
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. In particular, I really like these two posts: Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote:
Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far? Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie. Basically: Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance. Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is.
I like this only if we emphasize reasons and not justifications, otherwise hzflank's case in that regard would be right. Scum wants to do that.
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On July 15 2013 00:06 hzflank wrote:Also Chrom, What is this?: Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:
Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. No it is not! Finding a reason to vote for someone is town. Finding a person to vote for with reasons is very much not town. What concerns me right now is that you know that. I cannot believe that you believe that.
Haugh! Hz strengthens my read on Chrom. I did not know he knew that. I am actually newer here than he XD
I should probably skim my other games real quick to be fair, but don't worry, Sunday means I have a lot of time 
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On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Show nested quote +Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
You people! Rofl I said this over and again just before I lost my shit but it takes a quote I guess.
*Pays for using phone all the time finally*
Shwaddever. I be just bitter.
Reading away, page 33 or so
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On July 15 2013 05:22 StiMaDDict wrote:Well shit, my bad about deadline. I'm getting replaced after Day1. Here are my last thoughts. I don't think Gotard and jkirby can both be scum. Watch out for Koshi. Regardless of what jkirby or Superfluous flips, the possibility that they are both scum exists. One of 3 lurkers is likely a scum but no more than 1, imo. Chromatically and hzflank should work together and mafia won't stand a chance. Leave Umasi to do whatever he wants, he is great discussion leader even if he is crazy. I think that's all. Good luck town. I think town has the overall control of the game. I hope I was helpful in some way. + Show Spoiler +I don't know if it is good move to claim but I'm VT
Vt could mean vanilla town, ppl instantly said vet. Why?
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EBWOP: page 37 is a relief
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On July 15 2013 13:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 05:17 Umasi wrote:On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.
That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote. You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die" Reminds me of Onegu. In fact, that's EXACTLY what Onegu did haha I don't want to judge you based on his meta but still t.t But day3 on a one man scumteam for me so you cant compare to much.
Hehehe I was wondering what your reaction to that would be XD
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On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL
Hell yes! This what I been lookin for all game.
WE ALL SUX HUZZAH!!
XD
Really though, Chrom has me 100% null on him right now. Still catching up. I just hope I'm not better with my gut than with my brain.
Reminds me of someone: HE'S SCUM GUESS WHY KTHANKS BYE
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Rainbows wrote:
Kirbys list post corresponds so much with my own musings that hes likely town.
maybe both of these guys are town.
<HMMM ya think?> Is how this looks post-flip. I am bringing a ton of bias with me. Take me with grain of salt please, I am bout ready to go all chromatically on chromatically- I don't need the whole town to sheep me for it XD
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On July 15 2013 13:23 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
Trying to stay alive isn't a scumtell though. Let's say that you come back to the thread and see a case on you. Your forat order of business, as would be any townie's, is to defend yourself.
I really think that Super is just new. His posting doesn't feel like scum. He makes an honest effort to scumhunt, he points out things that he thinks are scummy (ex: one random sponge post). Agree 100%
Heh, now I KNOW you're town, don't need stim to say it. Sure didnt feel that way last game XD
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Last game being the finished one.
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On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote:
I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him 2) Xzav read him as scum 3) Xzav hasn't contributed 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him 5) Gut read I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts.
What a strong strong case that is.
Lurk + OMGUS + fluff + aid wagon and it's all accusation not near as strong as the flawed case against jkirby.
???????
Augh augh augh my bias is torturing me
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On July 15 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote:
I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI? 5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I capslocked my response. I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier You were able to find 5 points? I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that?
But what if both are town koshi?
Otherwise Ty.
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On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon.
Hurricane did you get enough sleep before this?
Three scummiest in a mini, while he votes on another! And town consensus is on a fifth!
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