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On July 17 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: I know this is conspiracy crazy but if hurricane and nightcat were scum together, here is the start of the tribunal. (1) Votes in no way are a way to prove innocense.(2) I didnt want to vote the townie, guys Im innocent.(3) Again this post is really just like please dont look at me no matter what happens. (4) Talking about lurking scum because he didnt post at all. I thought you talked about makeing a group of four people to control the lynch. (5) That is what scum hunting is... (6) Alot of I am sorry in his filter also.(7) Onegu, can you explain why the bolded stuff makes him scum? Why would scum post (4)? | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: When do we start exploring a Super lynch over Gotard? He's still lurking (as we knew he would without pressure). Gotard has responded and given us a little bit to go off of for today's lynch. Did Gotard's responses make him townier to you? | ||
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On July 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote: Onegu, can you explain why the bolded stuff makes him scum? Why would scum post (4)? On July 18 2013 02:27 Chromatically wrote: Onegu, have your top scumreads changed from Sponge and Nightcat? | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote: Number 3 is really scummy he is trying to seperate himself from the mislynch. The same with 4 he doesnt want people to think him scum when a member of the tribunal dies which is what happened. Yes they are still my top 2 reads, but I am ok with gotard also, I feel either him or nightcat is scum not both so the flip will give good info. Why would scum post 4 as opposed to keeping it to themselves? What about 2? | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: EBWOP: Oh, my heart stopped. I thought that was Onegu saying that. Just gotard, no worries. Gotard has been scum on Super, that's still a problem. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Sort of. He was an entrenched vote on Kirby when Super was a candidate Day 1. He thinks super is scum in words only, not with his vote. Yes? He's said that Super is top 2 scum for him and then just called him town. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I think we're arguing the same thing. That both Gotard and Super are scum. Yeah, okay, I wasn't sure what you were saying. Just another Gotard contradiction. | ||
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Super There's not much to be said about Super, he needs to be lynched. He's done nothing all game, there's nothing that makes me think that he's town, he hasn't committed to anything, and he hasn't pushed a read at all. Even his most recent post is just lightly throwing shit on townies without actually saying anything. On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote: Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself. That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote. This stuff is not townie AT ALL. Some people are trying to argue that "scum would never say that" but they definitely will. It's easy for scum to say things like that because a) it's the truth and b) it looks honest to the thread. I did something similar in my first game. On July 15 2013 04:11 Superfluous wrote: I'll stick by my early read and say that jkirby is sporadic and unpredictable. He could be a liability late game as this play could easily be jumped on by mafia to make a case for him being scum. That said I do think he's town. The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is association; for instance how Koshi is trying to get a lynch on me going in alternative to him when in his post he says there is an equal chance we are scum. But no point in voting on pre-flip associations as someone previously said. This also doesn't make sense to say as town. He just said that he's not actually trying to figure out Kirby's alignment, he's just "sticking by his earlier read". He's concerned about consistency. On July 19 2013 03:25 Superfluous wrote: I know it's somewhat moot to point this out, but as I am town I believe #3 (fixed for you since you listed 2 twice lol) is the most likely scenario. Maybe Gotard wasn't that strong of a player, but that doesn't mean his mafia buddies couldn't tell him to give a town read on me in order to get me lynched. If he really thought he could live, the best way to do so would've been to convince town I was more scummy than he was, which he didn't even try to do. Now if we were both maf and one of us were definitely gonna get lynched it would make sense he wouldn't switch onto me. However as maf I would be furious he put me as town read/ told him not to do that. I'd also like to point out that both Umashi and Xzavier immediately voted for me on day 2, when the town as a whole seemed somewhat more inclined to vote for Gotard than for me, which we did. The way he tries to interpret the Gotard WIFOM is exactly what scum wants town to do. It should be obvious to any town (especially ones with prior mafia experience) that Gotard's posts right before his death are meaningless. Maybe this is what they were talking about in the scum QT before they told Gotard to post that? Super never mentions Gotard AT ALL before Gotard was already going to be lynched. He gave weak opinions on hz, Xzav, Umasi, me, Kirby, Sponge, Koshi, etc. but NEVER gives an opinion on Gotard. This is often what noob scum do to avoid giving an awkward opinion on their scumbuddies (I also did this in my first game). He then votes Gotard with 0 explanation. I cannot believe that Super is honestly looking for scum and calls out all of these people without ever even NOTICING Gotard. Gotard was one of the three people that jumped on the Kirby wagon and stayed there the entire time: On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel. Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it. ##vote: jrkirby. Not necessarily damning by itself, but pretty bad in combination with everything else. Super is scum, lynch him tomorrow. Onegu Onegu's cases are what originally tipped me off to him. Look at these cases on his TOP SCUMREADS at the time: [spoiler] On July 15 2013 19:11 Onegu wrote: First thing I have already said hurricane should not get town cred for that post, I would be MORE likely to post that as scum. The second part you are correct the first time, there is no way that post of chromes is a scum tell. I have already said I think super is bad town, I think you and hurricane are starting to make sure the lynch wagons stay on 2 town. Again keep wagons the same, but you are also ok with a no lynch? Same things with wagons, give control to choose to hurricane and tell others to sheep him. I just hate this, when someone asks give your points. Didnt you already say you were ok with sheeping this game, And again yes they should make thier own reads, but if they are voteing on something I feel strongly about it isnt my job to force them, if you feel the other wagon is correct its your job. Do you really believe this? If I am dead I cannot find scum, cannot vote for scum. If I am alive as VT and playing a strong game I possibly force a KP on me instead of someone they think is a blue. Just lol, besides being wrong, remember that whole thing about being a jackass Why do we want this to happen? What good comes from his claim here it is so much worse that he lived and scum would know he was blue. You just blamed kirby for being a marytr why are you voteing yourself? Wait didnt you have a scum read on him for a long time so it obv wasnt the entire game... Really no reads? You let them have power and told people to sheep them. Earlier you say dont sheep, now sheep, which is it? [QUOTE]On July 16 2013 20:02 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Umasi, stop defending me. Don't defend people in general. It's more valuable to hear them defend themselves by tenfold. (Also, I don't want you handcuffing yourself to my ankle then flipping scum and having Town waste a bunch of time re-vetting me.) [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:46 jrkirby wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we? [/QUOTE] Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? [/QUOTE] Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum.[/QUOTE] But you might have posted another post starting with the same line. Or maybe you did post that as scum. But you certainly would never have said: The following was written on the contingency I got Scum in my role PM.[/QUOTE] Hahaha! Very right you are, I hadn't thought of that. [/QUOTE] So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh?[/QUOTE] This is a very reasonable request, but unfortunately I will not be posting it at this time for a couple reasons. First, it's not as impressive as the one I posted. Second, I intend to stay active in this community and will probably end up using a version of it at some point when (if?) I ever get that 'You Are Scum' PM. [/QUOTE] Why write this if you filp town, and we play in another game together and you post something similar but not as good I will tunnel you, and bring up this post. [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 15:39 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Just caught up on the thread for entertainment purposes: First thoughts: This fits StiM's playbook to a letter. The self-vote and martyring happened in XLII. Unfortunately, this happened while he was Town, so this doesn't really tell us anything. I like that there are other reasons for the votes (haven't done proper analysis yet), but I strongly encourage people to not interpret StiM on tilt as a scumtell. Going back now to read the entire train of thought in context now: Early on, StiM breaks down why he thought the kirby jokepost wasn't credible. (This elicits a big eyeroll, but is pretty benign albeit unnecessary). + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote: @Rainbow Also my read on jrkirby is null. This is a response to a request for elaboration from Rainbow. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case. hzflank is scum Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. I will. Right here, right now. Pregame posts when people didn't even get their role pm are evidence to his case. Do I need to say more? Not sure where he is going with this one.. He hasn't even fucking got his role pm and he's joking around pregame. ok.. + Show Spoiler + And for his first post: He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank I am not trying to defend hzflank in any shape or form however I do not agree with jrkirby's "read" on hzflank's post and I do not think it was alignment indicative. Again I do not think this post point hzflank as a scum. Then comes the massive over-reaction: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:25 StiMaDDict wrote: Another thing that is annoying the fuck out of me is that how Rainbow "interpreted" my post. This is what I wrote. Explanation: I find a pressure vote to be a strategy for some people. It works sometimes but not all the times. jrkirby's "case" really is not something of content to be honest. I assumed that it was pressure vote to get some discussions going. So that is what I said. As for the second sentence, his "case" is really fucking bullshit, so there are two possibilities. Either he is joking around or he suck at scumhunting. Now let's look at how Rainbow made me sound like. Scummy? Yes, I did give jkirby's post a reason but I didn't doubt it. If I had said it was a joke vote and he didn't seem to be a joker, your statement makes sense. I said pressure vote and nothing more. I didn't fucking say it was odd. Jesus, give me a break. I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT WAS SUSPICIOUS. Note to all: + Show Spoiler + btw, I'm really trying to stay active. Sometimes I write really slow and I might be answering something that is couple of pages back. Sometimes I write one liners. My bad. + Show Spoiler + If you don't like it, well fuck you I've read that post ten times, and can't really glean anything meaningful other than that StiM is in full-on turtle-up Defend Self At All Costs mode. Not necessarily a scumtell in a newbie game, I guess. I mean, who wants to die? Still, odd. Chromatically notes that one of these posts sits very oddly with him (I'd guess it's the second one), but StiM's next post is one defending me / going after Kirby: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:30 StiMaDDict wrote: Seriously man.. this is the best you can do? If he has scum post, big deal. For all we know THIS could be his scum post. Who knows. Is this your first game jrkirby? So early in the game, I have felt pressure from Kirby and Chrom, while receiving unsolicited White Knighting from Umasi and StiM. (Side note: If there's some crazy mafia play floating around out there to chum up to me to make me look scummy after you guys flip Red, that's a losing strategy, boys.) Important post from hz regarding StiM flipping out while everyone else interpreted the jokepost as a joke: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:58 hzflank wrote: The first thing to note is that Stim was unsure of whether Jrkirby's post was a joke or not. Stim reacted very different than everyone else did, but this could be because he viewed it as semi-serious while everyone else viewed it as a joke. After that Stim tries to defend himself. Again Stim's reaction seems odd at first, but normal if you consider that Stim thinks the original case was serious. Stim is posting in an aggressive manner but that is more of a personality tell than an alignment tell. I cannot help but be wish-washy here and conclude: I am eager to see more from Stim because I have absolutely no read on his alignment at this point. Immediately, the first thing I thought of was that there is no way in hell the scum QT would let him continue ranting and raving like this. They would have told him immediately to chill out and claim he was joking too, or something. Bolding because this is the first real revelation I've had on this case. If someone can provide a logical answer to the above, I'd appreciate it. Re: If StiM was Scum, would scum have really let him react this poorly and dig his own grave for this long? Moving on: Rainbow seems to be sheeping Chromatically's pressure on StiM a bit. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:01 Rainbows wrote: And then someone else words it better than I can. Bravo. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote: The reason I thought it scummy. It's hard to say how I thought about it, but then again I post rather sporadically with random thoughts. Finally getting to the part where StiM starts posting about whether or not he was mad. Chromatically seems to be leading this attack. StiM gets tripped up trying to explain whether he was mad or pretending to be mad. None of this comes of making StiM look good. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:59 StiMaDDict wrote: Edit: If this is what you came up with, then gg wp. Not really motivating to play anymore really. .... and then he takes his ball and goes home. Color me baffled. Could be town (like I said, he has proven he's willing to vote himself and go on tilt really easily), but definitely could be scum panicking. Moreso, I'm offended by his implication that the onus is on US to keep HIM entertained and willing to play this game. Then Umasi joins the bandwagon: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:06 Umasi wrote: Looking at it as stim is scum, it feels like he's trying to buddy him up as he has him read as a threat. This reads to me as trying to assuage a concern someone would have with it before someone talked about it. And seriously, why would you even bother doing that? It's not motivating to play because you don't have perma town cred? Expect people to think you're scum, or not guaranteed town. Like, why is it gg? If I remember you said Chrom was a solid scumhunter. It's actually up there in this post Don't omgus out of the fucking game, because that is not pro town, not defensible, and a surefire way to be lynched. And if you're town, that's obviously bad, because you're directly hurting town, wasting our time and not scumhunting. If you're scum, that's ALSO an awful idea, because you're just saccing yourself. Basically, rethink this and ignore what chrom has said about you and go contribute as much as you can in a protown way to turn opinions around, not just complain "I don't like people thinking I'm scum" You are now a priority to figure out over Superfluous, although I still am looking at Superfluous. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE StiMadDDict The first two 'reasons' reek of confirmation bias, and don't hold any weight for me. It could be construed as a scum Umasi hopping on a surefire bandwagon, but I have no confidence based on his earlier play that this poor play is inconsistent with a Town Umasi. Other valuable thoughts to avoid Quadposting: - I disagree with Superfluous' opinion on policy about No Lynch Day 1's, but the similarities to the Aqua - NN Claim issue is so striking I actually laughed aloud. My gut read was 'he's scum, day 1 lynch is the best play', but now I realize how the people pushing for Aqua's lynch Day 1 felt! - Umasi really rushed to my defense early and often which leaves me with a weird scummy feeling for some reason. Kirby and Chrom were pressuring me, but they weren't firing fastballs. I feel like I explained myself well, but Umasi's intrusion made the whole exchange way more combative than I felt it deserved. Right now, my nightmare is that Umasi flips scum, and people link him to me via these early exchanges, leading to my own mislynch. - Combining these two thoughts, Umasi then votes Superfluous for his 'scummy as crap' Day 1 No Lynch post (which I have explained in bullet point #1 I think is wrong, but not scummy). - People are being too hard on lurkers (especially people who posted at the game start and then disappeared). It's talk that doesn't move the game forward because it's a freaking Friday Night. Umasi's supporting 'evidence' (i.e. he's lurking) on Superfluous is what inspired this bulletpoint, pointed out nicely by hz: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:42 hzflank wrote: I think Jrkirby's and Sponge's opening posts had the same motivation: to get discussion moving. Both have done this and we have multiple discussions taking place. Since then, Sponge did a little coaching. Sponge has come under pressure from multiple people (for his opening post), and has dealt with it while being reasonably open. The only time that he has not been open is by refusing to post the other version of his opening post. Sponge did a little coaching again as he tried to stop Umasi from defending him. So far my read on Sponge has moved very slightly towards town. Since his opening, Jrkirby has attacked Sponge for his opening post, and done nothing else. That's fine because it is early and Jrkirby is pushing to get a reaction from someone. This is not scummy to me, null read. Umasi has defended Hurricane, which cannot be viewed as scummy at this point. Umasi has attacked Superfluous. I would say that this attack could be scummy as it is based on nothing, but it could just be to get Super to post more (he only has one post). Umasi then repeats that he thinks Super's post is scummy and votes for him. The problem I have with this is that Umasi claims Super's only post was scummy, when I do not think that it was. If Umasi was looking for a reaction then I do not understand why he posted: How was Super's post scummy as crap? I do not think that Umasi is looking for scum, and if he is not just fishing for Super to respond then I think that Umasi is just looking for a neutral place to put his early vote. Unlike Jrkirby's, Umasi's vote is not a troll vote. I have a slight scum read on Umasi. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:56 Umasi wrote: He came in, emphasized his newness to the game, and it felt like he was giving excuses for not posting, not reasons. (I realize that they're extremely similar, but I think it's a matter of tone) the timing he came in at (right when we brought up lurkers) to be like "I'm trying not to lurk" is just kind of......weird? I think it's out of place and scummy. Unlike hz, however, I think these are just bad reads and bad play. Could be scum, of course, but it could equally likely be town. Still some good content, on my radar, and I'm glad hz pointed it out. Chromatically chimes in later with a post on Superfluous saying he has tried to not 'rock the boat' (which is exactly what he did with the No Lynch position he took): + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. Yet more Superfluous pressure from Umasi.... the tunnel is on?: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:02 Umasi wrote: The difference here, is that he's ...... like hard to articulate. He is lurking, and pops in to post a comment at such a WEIRD time like, immediately when the conversation mentions lurkers compared to otherwise contributing thoughts. I think Super is the best choice atm, but I'm by no means positive. Just hit this post by Superfluous that set off real scumbells for me: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. I completely disagree with many significant points on this post (thinking Xzavier's post is scummy, finding one lurker scummier than the other, deciding Umasi is town because he's tunneling someone). It almost seems like he's OMGUS'ing hz because of the pressure on Umasi? Seems like a viable scumbuddy tactic: Call out in the QT for someone to defend you so you don't have to get into a shitfight yourself. @Chrom: Can you explain what this post means? [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 13:23 Chromatically wrote: If everyone who just randomly popped out to soft call me sum could actually give their opinions on the situation, that'd be great. [/QUOTE] I also have a nitpick with this post: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 14:04 Chromatically wrote: Yes, we'll technically never be able to totally disprove the possibility that Stim is town. It's just far less likely. Look at what Stim has done. Lie about his anger Town motivation: none Scum motivation: screwed up the explanation because the anger was faked in the first place Martyr Town motivation: none, far more likely that he just explains Scum motivation: knows he can't explain, so he acts emotional to get people to switch[/QUOTE] I feel like the anger was definitely real, and StiM was trying play play Mr. Cool Cat by claiming that he was really in control the whole time, and just pretended to be angry. Still not clear what that motivation could have been, but the above 2x2 leaves out some key points and I feel you're making a bit more assumptions that you usually do... [/QUOTE] Ok this is a long one and hurricane makes a few incorrect leaps in logic. First in NMM XLII yes stim self voted, but day 3 under zero pressure. He was under alot of pressure here when he self voted. Then your bolded first real revelation, unless you are in scum qt you dont know who or what is said in scum qt so trying to saythey wouldnt let him do something is just wrong, first scum game for me we had a modkill lurker and a regular lurker so there wasnt anyone to discuss things with. Also why defend stim? Why not let him defend himself like you advocate? [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 16:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 16:02 Umasi wrote: Alright, here, hurricane. Who do you think is worth voting at this time? From your post, I got the gist that it'd be Superfluous or me. Is that correct?[/QUOTE] I'm still a bit mad at StiM for his post implying that it was our job to keep him entertained. I'm going to give myself some time to cool off on that, because I don't appreciate people quitting on my team (if he is in fact town). This is a time investment for everybody, and it's damn selfish of him to pack up his ball and go home after really light pressure. Townville: Kirby pressured me appropriately after my opener. I like that. He also seems to have the same attitude as me regarding the quick StiMwagon: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters.[/QUOTE] hz is aggressively posting reads and seems to emulate my thoughts on the early Superfluous post: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 09:42 hzflank wrote: I think Jrkirby's and Sponge's opening posts had the same motivation: to get discussion moving. Both have done this and we have multiple discussions taking place. Since then, Sponge did a little coaching. Sponge has come under pressure from multiple people (for his opening post), and has dealt with it while being reasonably open. The only time that he has not been open is by refusing to post the other version of his opening post. Sponge did a little coaching again as he tried to stop Umasi from defending him. So far my read on Sponge has moved very slightly towards town. Since his opening, Jrkirby has attacked Sponge for his opening post, and done nothing else. That's fine because it is early and Jrkirby is pushing to get a reaction from someone. This is not scummy to me, null read. Umasi has defended Hurricane, which cannot be viewed as scummy at this point. Umasi has attacked Superfluous. I would say that this attack could be scummy as it is based on nothing, but it could just be to get Super to post more (he only has one post). Umasi then repeats that he thinks Super's post is scummy and votes for him. The problem I have with this is that Umasi claims Super's only post was scummy, when I do not think that it was. [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.[/QUOTE] If Umasi was looking for a reaction then I do not understand why he posted: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote: Where the hell are you. You popped in, gave a single post, that I think is scummy as crap, still haven't show back up. Pretty confusing, because the post you gave was irrelevant.[/QUOTE] How was Super's post scummy as crap? I do not think that Umasi is looking for scum, and if he is not just fishing for Super to respond then I think that Umasi is just looking for a neutral place to put his early vote. Unlike Jrkirby's, Umasi's vote is not a troll vote. I have a slight scum read on Umasi.[/QUOTE] Xzavier posted some decent thoughts (although he really didn't go out on any limbs): [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 11:19 Xzavier wrote: [QUOTE]On July 13 2013 08:33 Superfluous wrote: While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.[/QUOTE] i know usami has touched on this, but i see voting for No-lynch is like sacrificing a townie or playing russian roullet for zero prize money. its just basically saying "i want to start this game a townie down" it seems silly to me, if somebody comes and gives me an ungodly reason for no-lynching ill hear it. but i see it as silly. Also from playing with usami before, hes a super fucking hyper aggressive person who needs like a single post to tunnel somebody for a full day, that can be bad. we need to keep our eyes open and looking at multiple people. As i learned my first game, a tunnel vision day1 can lead to a mislynch, or in this gametype, a no-lynch. Its far better to lynch scum, and thats what we should try to do. Even day1 we lynch either a lurker or our top scumread, if nobody has any strong scumreads, lynching the scummiest lurker is the best townplay day1. (it yields the highest chance of killing scum while creating the best pro-town enviroment) with that im also shocked of how active stim-addict is being. its nice to see a usual lurker picking it up leaving less for the scum to hide behind :D again, even Superfluous is at the top of my scumdar, he isnt high enough to deserve a vote yet. I want to lynch a lurker or superfluous depending on how he reacts to our posts and the events of the day. if the rest of it goes uneventful/no major scumslips i want to fuck up a lurker as i believe that to be the best pro-town action.[/QUOTE] Rainbows is active and is claiming credit for the StiM wagon. If StiM is town, as I suspect, I don't think scum would be claiming lead on an eventual green flip: | ||
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