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I never got caught up through the night~~not going to be around and posting actively until tomorrow morning (pdt)~I might comment a little I guess, we'll see.
Going to thought dump my reads so you guys know, etc
Townie:
Hzflank, Chrom, Sponge
They were around a lot when I wanted to talk, have been proactively posting, and I get a townie gut read from them~What they've done has had pro town motivation.
Kinda townie:
Xzavier
He's been around, I like what he's posted, reminds me of the other game I played with him, but hasn't actually done much. I want him to go do something.
Null:Rainbows, Alakaslam, Onegu
Alakaslam and Onegu haven't posted enough for me to really get a read on them, since all they did was dump thoughts throughout the night. Some of their reads I remember disagreeing with (I haven't caught up past page 62ish). Alakaslam is confusing but whatever, I'll get the hang of it eventually
Rainbows has gut read as townie, but he hasn't really nailed down and pursued a scum read like I expected he would. He is present, but hasn't done shit. Would rather he go do shit.
slightly scummy: Gotard, Night, Koshi,
Gotard is only very slightly scummy though. Koshi and Night I'm a lot less sure on, Koshi has been around a lot and posted pretty erratically, and has done basically nothing to help town, but hasn't necessarily played like a scum would (imo)
Night is just weird, fuck it, post more, lynch all lurkers etcetcetcetcetc (has done nothing blah blah)
Preferred lynch: STILL SUPERFLUOUS
He's done nothing to make me want to lynch him less, it was just a competition between Kirby and him, he's gone silent, I still think he's a better lynch, would like to pursue this as a lynch.
I think I talked about everyone.
Lynch order is Superfluous>Night>Koshi>Gotard unless something happens to change my mind.
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that's not a vacuum, but I think all of this line of thought is irrelevant. If it means anything, I think that Rainbows was shot by scum (he never really posted reads, it's hard to nail down who shot him) and that Koshi was shot by the SK (for reasons I can't imagine)
Now stop fucking talking about it, there's really no point.
##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS
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~slipping this in here,
@XZAV
you never put your vote in the voting thread
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On July 17 2013 02:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
yeah, but rainbows
there's a problem with that
scum don't want to spew pro town crap, that's
uh
PRO
TOWN First umasi are you 4rlz here? That is exactly what scum want to do, I coach you on game setup, how to find scum, anything you ask I will help town. Why? Because when I do this I get town cred for something you would find out anyway. That first post of hurricanes is all things people would find out as the game went no matter what but hurricane being first to post it make it look very townie, but is really not in anyway townie.
I'm not sure that you REALLY understand.
This post is scummy because it looks protown
k, we accept this
.....This post is townie because it was protown.
He was getting exactly what he thought needed to get out there, out there, and even called it a day one conversation starter.
This doesn't like, absolve him, but honestly, calling this post anything but a good thing for town is stupid. It also sparked conversation (as the name implies).
I'm not sold on Sponge being town, but I'm way more sure of him being town than I am of many other people in this thread. He was around frequently, throwing his thoughts around (similar to how I was), and everything he has done has felt genuine, similar to how everything Chrom has done (although the result was bad) has been genuine.
He gives exactly what he knows about anything, and even if we'd find out later what he was talking about, that doesn't mean it isn't useful to know what Sponges thoughts are on everybody, EARLY in the game.
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On July 17 2013 03:05 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"? It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable.(The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play)
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
FUCK THAT
FUCK THAT ALL THE WAY TO HELL
JESUS
I DON'T EVEN GET LIKE, A SCUM READ ON YOU
THAT'S JUST STUPID
you basically just said "well if my lynch is inevitable I will then post something useful to town"
jeeeeezus
tell me if I misunderstood horribly.
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my thoughts~
The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off.
I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one"
so we put seven votes on him
then last second, player X swaps off.
Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place.
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On July 17 2013 03:59 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:57 Umasi wrote:my thoughts~ The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off. I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one" so we put seven votes on him then last second, player X swaps off. Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place. I disagree. Scum would never do that as you would get a no-lynch day 1 and then back to back scum lynches on days 2 and 3. Terrible move for scum.
I don't even know what you were referring to.
Of course scum wouldn't move off to give a no lynch, because we're holding them accountable for it, and they'd immediately be placed under suspicion.
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If neither of them post, I'll happily lynch Gotard or Superfluous, (Super slightly more)
If one of them posts, well it obviously depends. I didn't want to switch that late into the day because it felt not as sure as Jrkirby and Superfluous, and because that would be equal to a last minute vote swap (which we probably would not be able to achieve just by sheer number of people around willing to switch) and could have resulted in a no lynch, therefore I was skeptical.
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I DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND MAJORITY LYNCH, REALLY, WHY DON'T WE USE PLURALITY OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IT'S CALLED GOD DAMMIT
*raises fist at the sky*
BUT OKAY I CAN HANDLE THIS.
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Dude, Chrom, you're playing mafia, which means you have to take part in all of the stupid rituals involved.
NOW TELL ME YOU UNDERSTAND
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##UNVOTE
##VOTE GOTARD
lynch them
lynch them alllllll
On July 17 2013 05:47 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Full disclosure, if I had zero meta on Gotard, this lynch would be a no-brainer. But he let this happen to him in NMMXLII as a useless townie, too. That doesn't exonerate him, but it does tell us that sometimes bad play is just bad play. Do you want him at a LYLO though? Regardless of his alignment I doubt that he will be night-killed (assume that we have no Vig for now). How much time can we give him to become active? He has had time. Look at the players who are left in the game. Just by numbers there has to be a 50% chance of Gotard flipping scum. Combine that with the fact that he is too dangerous at the LYLO unless we can somehow get a good town read on him and have some idea of how he will vote.
basically that.
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(not that I'm unhappy you're here)
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On July 17 2013 07:33 Gotard wrote:Wanted to check stuff before going to sleep. (offtopic I might add you on osu! later if I will remember)
(equally off topic, fuck yeah)
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Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in
+ Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi
regardless~
it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on.
It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous?
aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him"
but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements.
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On July 17 2013 16:11 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote:Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements. Let me post my gotard and nightcat cases, actually I will make them and when hurricane defends himself I will post them.
You thought that Superfluous was townie, right?
t.t
how
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On July 17 2013 16:09 Umasi wrote:Alakaslam, I think you win every game you play in + Show Spoiler +Assuming your goal is to never be understood by Umasi regardless~ it is time to actually choose a lynch, everyone go fucking vote so that we can as a town decide who to focus on. It's looking like Sponge and Gotard, can I ask why Sponge is scummier than Superfluous? aside from "as I read his filter, I had town on him" but like, why. I don't think it's been elaborated on by our two replacements.
*points at spoiler*
are you even reading
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On July 18 2013 03:38 Xzavier wrote:
im taking a quick shower than posting, but first i want to say this" Lurkers gonna lurk"
super is still lurking hardcore, and has no reason not to considering nobody is voting for him or continueing to pressure him.
i feel strange that he would be content to just sit and let the lynch happen without weighing in on it.
^^
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On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote:
Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.
Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.
I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.
I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.
I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.
haha thank you for pointing that out (about me)
you're absolutely correct!
I've been lazy!
I was not leading town, the way I've been playing is NOT leading town. I just pipe up and throw my thoughts in there wherever I feel they're necessary, which is pretty much whenever I read the thread. I've been at the computer less constantly than I was for day one, though.
That said
please make something of it compared to just muttering about it~~you can feel whatever you want. Does this make me a scumread of yours?
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Rather: Your post is nothing BUT things to keep in mind/just throwing that out there/other vague things.
I'm going to be sticking pretty hard to my town reads on Chrom/Hz/Sponge, and don't want people lightly FoSing them, because it feels like they're trying to bring them to attention without being directly responsible for the case, and it's hard to tell what you make of Chrom or me.
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