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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:11 GMT
#1101
If i do not die i'll tell the thread what happened when the game was paused.
If i die i tell the obs thread.

Lynch marv, lynch Lazer, lynch (leaning on) Fuba.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:12 GMT
#1102
On July 03 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why on earth did he read Vayne's filter instead of Lazer/Fuba in the first place?!?!?!?!?!?!


You keep repeating this, pretty sure I had a browse through Lazer's filter and decided he'd tried too much to get lynched, also pretty sure I said this at the time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#1103
On July 03 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.
I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so.

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?

If you'll remember in my posts last night I brought up the fact that Marv and Vivax were both content to relegate the lynch to those who weren't able to defend themselves at the time.
I remember Marv's vote on me looking particularly awful.


That's twice now I've caught you flinging shit at me without explaining why. I voted you short of time as a low-effort absent poster, which is practically the only reasonable continuation in my circumstances. I moved on to Vayne because he was even worse in that regard.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#1104
is deadline in :45 or 1:45 ???
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:15 GMT
#1105
On July 03 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's pointlessly suicidal claiming miller in this game and all of you who are flinging shit at me for it should feel bad.

Actually it isn't if you got 3x goon, as you can gamble on there being no cop and no millers, and if you fakeclaim miller and noone cc's you just got pretty much guaranteed 2x fakeclaims.

Why did you assume there is a miller but no cop earlier?


When did I assume there was no cop?

Is your assertion seriously that mafia decided to do some fake-claim strategy in a game with all the roles laid out? Are you insane?

In this post:
On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight.



Read my long post and start feeling stupid already please.

At the moment I'm putting you in the retarded-but-town camp, now I have to work out who bandwagoned with you on to this whole stupid conspiracy theory.

You mean this part:
I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately.

1. The precence of a miller is a straight out clue there is a cop, as scum have 2 KP, everything that fucks with town is too bad.
2. your a) and b) Why the fuck there is noone questioning Lazer if he had fakeclaimed? They would know Lazer is 100% scum and would definitely be questioning him. You are not this stupid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:16 GMT
#1106
On July 03 2013 06:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
is deadline in :45 or 1:45 ???

45min
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#1107
45 minutes. Ok all caught up.

Don't think rayn is making a big play, I think he's got it into his head that scum decided to fakeclaim two roles for giggles and that makes both me and Lazer scum. whatever. rayn is right on the cusp of standard of player where he's pushing my credulity in pushing this, but in the end he's not sandroba so maybe I can let it slide.

WoS looks pretty bad to me for passively encouraging this and general shit-flingyness. Do not like.

Not sure about JarJar for jumping on the retardedness and jumping off later. Can't tell if he was town getting caught up or mafia realising a bad thing and getting off it at the right time. Still gonna guess from the claim he's town I guess.

s0lstice is absent and still hasn't explained his vote on fuba, scummy I think.

fuba mysteriously ignored my questions to him, and that makes me suspicious. I'm also suspicious of him for spending so much time thinking apparently and coming to a bad conclusion regarding the claims.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:19 GMT
#1108
On July 03 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's pointlessly suicidal claiming miller in this game and all of you who are flinging shit at me for it should feel bad.

Actually it isn't if you got 3x goon, as you can gamble on there being no cop and no millers, and if you fakeclaim miller and noone cc's you just got pretty much guaranteed 2x fakeclaims.

Why did you assume there is a miller but no cop earlier?


When did I assume there was no cop?

Is your assertion seriously that mafia decided to do some fake-claim strategy in a game with all the roles laid out? Are you insane?

In this post:
On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight.



Read my long post and start feeling stupid already please.

At the moment I'm putting you in the retarded-but-town camp, now I have to work out who bandwagoned with you on to this whole stupid conspiracy theory.

You mean this part:
Show nested quote +
I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately.

1. The precence of a miller is a straight out clue there is a cop, as scum have 2 KP, everything that fucks with town is too bad.
2. your a) and b) Why the fuck there is noone questioning Lazer if he had fakeclaimed? They would know Lazer is 100% scum and would definitely be questioning him. You are not this stupid.


If I were cop I would be doing so after the night finished because I would be protecting my role because I'm not a complete moron.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
July 02 2013 21:19 GMT
#1109
I've been repeatedly called out for my absence. I just finished travelling ~ 800 km from Rome to Austria kkthx. I thinkI announced it I would be back for the evening iirc.

Now let me catch up, I'm at p53
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:20 GMT
#1110
EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS POSTED AFTER LAZER'S CLAIM. IF THEY WERE IN FACT A REAL COP AND LAZER WAS FAKECLAIMING, THEY WOULD QUESTION HIM AT LEAST IN SOME WAY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HIS SCUMBUDDIES!
marvellosity is not this stupid. he is scum. Do not let him get away with this on D2.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:21 GMT
#1111
I guess you can't read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:22 GMT
#1112
You can't say I'm not this stupid, by the way, when you're making the assertion I went full-blown retarded as mafia.

sorry man, that doesn't work.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:23 GMT
#1113
On July 03 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's pointlessly suicidal claiming miller in this game and all of you who are flinging shit at me for it should feel bad.

Actually it isn't if you got 3x goon, as you can gamble on there being no cop and no millers, and if you fakeclaim miller and noone cc's you just got pretty much guaranteed 2x fakeclaims.

Why did you assume there is a miller but no cop earlier?


When did I assume there was no cop?

Is your assertion seriously that mafia decided to do some fake-claim strategy in a game with all the roles laid out? Are you insane?

In this post:
On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight.



Read my long post and start feeling stupid already please.

At the moment I'm putting you in the retarded-but-town camp, now I have to work out who bandwagoned with you on to this whole stupid conspiracy theory.

You mean this part:
I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately.

1. The precence of a miller is a straight out clue there is a cop, as scum have 2 KP, everything that fucks with town is too bad.
2. your a) and b) Why the fuck there is noone questioning Lazer if he had fakeclaimed? They would know Lazer is 100% scum and would definitely be questioning him. You are not this stupid.


If I were cop I would be doing so after the night finished because I would be protecting my role because I'm not a complete moron.

So in case you die you do nothing to try to tell the town who are the confirmed scum's scumbuddies? This game is not about blues, and if you really think what you say here you are a moron. And i don't think you are a moron, scum is more likely.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:24 GMT
#1114
ok, I'm ignoring you because my intelligence is being diminished just interacting with you.

I'll field questions from anyone else on the matter.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:26 GMT
#1115
Yeah you probably should. You need to try to convince other people anyways whether or not i am alive on D2, which i'm not.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 21:28 GMT
#1116
There's no chance at all you're dying tonight, lol.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:28 GMT
#1117
Not sure about JarJar for jumping on the retardedness and jumping off later. Can't tell if he was town getting caught up or mafia realising a bad thing and getting off it at the right time. Still gonna guess from the claim he's town I guess.

Didn't you think mafia had fakeclaims?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:31 GMT
#1118
Also marv, why do you think Lazer is HC-defending you? And what do you think of his posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 21:36 GMT
#1119
I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately.

Actually this is a big contradiction.
"I believe Lazer's claim now, but in case i was a cop and not online in the 4 minutes iwould have not counter-claimed him yet, but i apparently believe everyone else had done so".

cool-
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
July 02 2013 21:38 GMT
#1120
Ok first of all:

Rayn, calm down. I've done the same mistakes as you in putting such importance into such events. It happens, but lay back for a moment and think you could be wrong (about the reason, not the read).

I remember you saying that there can be miller but no cop cause it fucks with town. I didn't look up to find the quote but I remember seeing it somewhere earlier, and I think it was you.

As I would guess, you were extremely suspicious of Lazer and immediately thought marv was his scumbuddy cause lack of suspicion and cause he worked against his lynch yesterday.

That's fine, those are fine reasons, but pushing the issue that marv has to be scum cause miller means there has to be a cop necessarily is not true. It makes the whole situation look stupid and isn't good for your cause.

Deadline is probably too close, but a neatly summarized case with all points you have in mind would help. If you die and I survive I will do you the favour to bring all your points under one roof and put my own insight as addendum into it, Lazer is my suspect as well and I feel like taking a close look at marv as well.
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