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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:33 GMT
#1061
EBWOP, wops that should actually go to this post instead ^^
On July 03 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I notice fuba hasn't responded to my question.
Lazer would you like to comment on the conversation currently happening between Rayn and I?

Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:36 GMT
#1062
On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit-
No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#1063
Also Lazer, i don't know why you need to be so defencive about marv?
Talk with WoS instead, i am interested in seeing what you guys talk about. He asked you a question already.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 02 2013 20:38 GMT
#1064
On July 03 2013 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Lazer, i don't know why you need to be so defencive about marv?
Talk with WoS instead, i am interested in seeing what you guys talk about. He asked you a question already.
To be fair, I don't understand it either. Have a nice evening getting shot! Also, I don't care about WoS, we have 48 hours to talk later. kkthxbye...
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:39 GMT
#1065
On July 03 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit-
No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse?

Everyone assumed the deadline was (or at least thought it's possible that it was) one hour before it was, including you, because you claimed 4min before the assumed deadline. Don't try to bullshit here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:40 GMT
#1066
WoS what do you think of Lazer's hard-defence on marv and him rejection to interact with you?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:40 GMT
#1067
Rayn do you think a scum Lazer would be so willing to back-and-forth with you for that whole period of time?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:43 GMT
#1068
On July 03 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS what do you think of Lazer's hard-defence on marv and him rejection to interact with you?

I think it's scummy as fuck but I've had problems with this kind of play before. Vayne's play in I Swear for example, in which he played like shit and really scummy but he claimed cop real early and we were forced to believe him.
Turns out he really was the cop.

To me it seems more likely that Lazer's claim is real. Hell, if you're negating the possibility of fakeclaims why wouldn't you agree with me? If anything a fakeclaim makes the idea that Lazer's claim is fake MORE likely!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:47 GMT
#1069
On July 03 2013 05:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS what do you think of Lazer's hard-defence on marv and him rejection to interact with you?

I think it's scummy as fuck but I've had problems with this kind of play before. Vayne's play in I Swear for example, in which he played like shit and really scummy but he claimed cop real early and we were forced to believe him.
Turns out he really was the cop.

To me it seems more likely that Lazer's claim is real. Hell, if you're negating the possibility of fakeclaims why wouldn't you agree with me? If anything a fakeclaim makes the idea that Lazer's claim is fake MORE likely!

I am not negating the the possibility of fakeclaim in this particular situation. I am not sure Lazer is scum and that's why i wanted to question him as much as possible. His answers and his defence on marv make no sense, because whether or not he is real cop marv's post about doubting his claim makes zero sense from town PoV. He should be the one most suspicious of marv because he thinks from a cop-PoV.

Keep in mind that if marv is not hiding in scum QT atm, he is away, and scum need to defend him in case of vigi shot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:49 GMT
#1070
Vayne is different player than Lazer and i remember Vivax (or someone) saying Lazer's scumplay is good.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#1071
On July 03 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 05:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 03 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS what do you think of Lazer's hard-defence on marv and him rejection to interact with you?

I think it's scummy as fuck but I've had problems with this kind of play before. Vayne's play in I Swear for example, in which he played like shit and really scummy but he claimed cop real early and we were forced to believe him.
Turns out he really was the cop.

To me it seems more likely that Lazer's claim is real. Hell, if you're negating the possibility of fakeclaims why wouldn't you agree with me? If anything a fakeclaim makes the idea that Lazer's claim is fake MORE likely!

I am not negating the the possibility of fakeclaim in this particular situation. I am not sure Lazer is scum and that's why i wanted to question him as much as possible. His answers and his defence on marv make no sense, because whether or not he is real cop marv's post about doubting his claim makes zero sense from town PoV. He should be the one most suspicious of marv because he thinks from a cop-PoV.

Keep in mind that if marv is not hiding in scum QT atm, he is away, and scum need to defend him in case of vigi shot.

This I can get behind.
It seems a little at odds with your thinking earlier today but whatever. What do you make of Fuba's latest post-and-fuck-off?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#1072
On July 03 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne is different player than Lazer and i remember Vivax (or someone) saying Lazer's scumplay is good.

But see it would be his townplay that I think is bad and makes him look like scum, a la Vayne.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:51 GMT
#1073
And where the fuck is the rest of the thread?
Is everyone waiting for me to leave or some shit before they show up?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:52 GMT
#1074
I dunno about Fuba, he might be scum. You guys can figure out that later after you've lynched marv. ^^

Is Lazer's townplay bad? I have never played with him.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
July 02 2013 20:53 GMT
#1075
On July 03 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba why is WoS not mafia?

He seemed to have the same reaction as we did to marv's claim. Though he disagrees that marv's practically guaranteed scum, he does agree that it's likely. What made you think that I was leaning town on him? I didn't think I'd actually mentioned it.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#1076
I was abit concerned about Vivax but i am not any more. His interactions with marv are really genuine, especially on N1 when they talk about possible roles. Also he is suspicious of Lazer's claim.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:55 GMT
#1077
On July 03 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno about Fuba, he might be scum. You guys can figure out that later after you've lynched marv. ^^

Is Lazer's townplay bad? I have never played with him.

If he's town this game I'd say it certainly is, hence him looking really scummy and being forced to claim to save himself.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 20:55 GMT
#1078
On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot.
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
On July 02 2013 19:34 Vivax wrote:
On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP?


I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game.
It says "these roles will be in the game".

Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there?


Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game



On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.

I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?

Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine.


How is this 'playing it down' or 'weakly resisting'? It's discussing various facets? I randomly brought it up in the thread myself because I was musing on it. Given practically everyone hitherto had accepted the claim, what the crap do you think I was trying to achieve?

On July 03 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
if marv is miller he has zero reason to not believe un-cc'd cop claim. therefore marv is fakeclaiming, there is no millers, there is no cop, and Lazer got an easy fakeclaim aswell. They only have to survive to N2 to win with 2KP, unless third scum is lynched.


Are people on the stupid pills today or something? None of this makes any sense. I can't even respond because you're just saying things.

On July 03 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
as i do not think there are 3 blues, and gumshoe can't know if there is another one.
Lazer could be town due to his claim but that does not change the fact that marv should not doubt his claim.


I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately.

On July 03 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I said at the start of the game I would not have claimed miller just because someone asked me to. There could very well still be a miller. It is also possible that marv really IS miller but I don't believe that to be as likely as him being scum based on the way he has acted since returning.
I reacted the same way when DP claimed it in CC and was grilled for it, but I believed his claim because of how he acted regarding it. Marv has not acted in this same way and been as absolutely transparent about his claim as he could have been (which imo should be expected if you claim miller and expect not to be lynched). It seems to me that marv expects to skate by on his claim because he's marv, and he's been successful so far.

We'll definitely see what D2 brings regarding all of this though.

By the way Rayn according to your above explanation why can't either of their claims be real? Especially Lazer's imo?


I literally can't tell which of the two of you are worse. I didn't claim because rayn asked me to, I claimed because I will *always* claim self-aware miller if that's the role I receive, because I consider it best play in all circumstances. 'The way he has acted since returning'? You better back up this shit, otherwise it's just crap-flinging. There's nothing else to say about a miller-claim other than 'i'm miller'.

On July 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah i just said Lazer might be town. BUT IF MARV IS MILLER HE HAS ZERO REASON TO DOUBT UN-CC'D COP!
marv is not a miller and not town.

If any miller is yet to claim they are retarded.


YOU ARE STUPID

On July 03 2013 02:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I agree w/ rayns assesment and also agree that vig should shoot into lazr/marv tonight


So are you.

I've got to the bottom of page 49 in my catchup, and I will continue to read after I posted this, but deadline is coming up.

I'm going to talk briefly about my previous miller fake-claim as mafia, as some of you are still clinging to this (which I brought up if you'll all remember). The circumstances in that game were markedly different. I was given a simply atrocious team as my mafia team, and I decided if I wanted to win, I was going to need to do it myself and I would need a big play. Someone threw around a 40% figure for miller earlier - except it wasn't, in my calculations at the time it was 25%, based on the scum power-roles meaning that there were far fewer blues in town (blue includes miller in C9++). The two games are totally different. It's pointlessly suicidal claiming miller in this game and all of you who are flinging shit at me for it should feel bad.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 02 2013 20:57 GMT
#1079
On July 03 2013 05:53 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba why is WoS not mafia?

He seemed to have the same reaction as we did to marv's claim. Though he disagrees that marv's practically guaranteed scum, he does agree that it's likely. What made you think that I was leaning town on him? I didn't think I'd actually mentioned it.

I wasn't thinking so. I wanted to push you to disagree on the town-part or agree with it. Do you think he is town or not, as this answer is extremely all-around and wishy-washy. You give reasons for him to be town and then you say you are not leaning town on him??

Also your stance on Lazer is what?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 02 2013 20:58 GMT
#1080
Marv one simple question.
Why have you not claimed the name of your role yet?
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