Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 52

On July 03 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

I didn't even bother with all that shit D1 honestly.
Should I go back and try to sift through it? I doubt Rayn is scum.

On July 03 2013 04:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
No Rayn, what is your reasoning for thinking I'm scum? I brought up suspicion of my own towards marv before you showed up and I agreed with you at the same time as he did, I just didn't act the same way Stutters has been acting all game and riding a suspected townplayer's dick.

If my not licking your boots for coming up with what you did is why you think I'm scum then good luck.

On July 02 2013 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
ok I haven't got time to read the thread properly. who should i be looking at in particular?

On July 02 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba/Lazermonkey, WoS to some extent, but his filter is short and i dunno if he's just busy.

On July 02 2013 05:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, 7 pages of filter and the only time you take an actual stance on Vayne is when you say that he is town from PoE. This is weak. On day 1 you generally aren't very certain on anything, and you are no way in hell being to single out the whole scum team and being able to say that someone is town due to PoE.

Ignoring everyone else, whats your stance on him?

On July 02 2013 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna ##Vote: WaveofShadow for now. Still reading the thread but he's underwhelmed me most so far. Everything else is so fucking dense.

On July 02 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are not lynching Vayne. We are lynching you/WoS/Fuba, so why can't you just comment on them?
You had two days to make a case on Vayne, and you failed. You don't get us to look at him now, 30min before the lynch, when you have shown no interest in asking us to do that before.

On July 02 2013 05:32 marvellosity wrote:


why are we not lynching Vayne?

His filter is extraordinarily short (i know, i know). also just found this



Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game.

On July 02 2013 05:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
Marv
12
Points
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Fucking fuck. Was in the process of answering the questions directed at me when I realized why I've been so confusing. I left what I already wrote, because it shows when I realized my screw-up, and hopefully at least shows some of my reasoning while I was confused.


Holy fuck, what is wrong with me. So here's what's happened...
I posted my response to his first post with this post. I then continued reading the thread, and got to his case, where my stupid mind stored it after my previous response to him. So every time I was considering him, it was from the mindset that he completely ignored my response and kept accusing me without cause, which kept increasing my suspicion of him. The early "vayne-like" post was regarding his aggression to rayn, his indecision regarding laser, and his interpretation of WoS's early french posts as suspicious, when I found them to just be random, fun, early game posts. I actually assumed they were irrelevant, so I really still haven't translated them. The "vayne-like" post added in stutters being pretty defensive, as well as suggesting that we look elsewhere but not actually suggesting someone else, really.

On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore...

On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?

On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct?

On July 03 2013 04:42 mkfuba07 wrote:
So this post was a whole progression of realizations, and it's probably going to be confusing, but I hope it'll clarify everything eventually. The stuff collapsed in the quotes was my original post. The next layer is when I realized I screwed up something that could have affected my read greatly. The outer later is the conclusion I came to. And actually, look at his unwillingness to take stances up until his vote on me. It's a whole lot of just saying that one person's comments about another person aren't accurate. Again, could be scummy, but I've seen it all done as town.
It's not until his first case and vote against me that he feels reasonably scummy. He calls it scummy as fuck and then comments only on the part about him (which was either misinterpreted (scum or town) or misconstrued (scum)). He goes on to make another case the next day using the same exact post, which is really, really weird as town. If you think a post is scummy as fuck, and you have reasons to find every aspect of it scummy, why would you not write it all up the first time? It's like he realized his mistake, then tried to correct it after the fact by showing how scummy the entire thing is, when most of the points he makes are just as much useless fluff as my post about marv was. Even if the "vayn-like" confusion was truly a misunderstanding, adding in the rest of it shows he was uncomfortable with the original case. And finally, trying to ignore the ordering of posts I convinced myself was the case, he *still* hasn't actually responded to any of my posts. He apparently doesn't care about the answers to his questions, and hasn't answered any of the ones I've asked (even if my ordering was all garbled up, there was still no response). Therefore, I still think stutters is scum.


I also see that rayn's had exactly the same thoughts about marv's response to WoS's question as I did. Feeling really confident about my change of heart about him now. I had this written out in notepad, and it's actually pretty hilarious how perfectly marv's response fits into it:

==============================
Facts: marv miller claim, laser cop claim
marv and laser both town: legit
marv lying and laser cop: legit
marv miller and laser lying: Doesn't make sense
to fakeclaim cop after a legit miller claim.
both lying: legit

Laser can be scum only if marv is lying.
==============================

Narrowed it down to the what I found to be the most basic statement you could make given the four scenarios, and the end result was the bottom line. Since it's highly likely to be suicide to fakeclaim cop after a legitimate miller claim, marv shouldn't be suspicious of laser if he was, in fact, miller.

On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.

On July 03 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you are suggesting that we have a semi-open setup, but scum do have an open setup?
Now how stupid is that?

On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so.

On July 03 2013 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think it's stupid at all, unless like I mentioned earlier, iGrok is completely fine with us breaking his game.

On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?