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On July 03 2013 01:16 gumshoe wrote: But then what is he implying? That Rayne is giving Lazer a free pass? Then hes still accusing and associating them in shallow way, I'm sorry but I find that scummy. If you see someone scummy or null and someone else views them townie and you just don't understand why, it's not valid to mention it? Stop throwing around the word "association", literally every interaction between anyone is an association. It's no point saying "sorry I find it scummy" when I'm providing an alternate, very plausible narrative. | ||
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On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum. I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting? Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. How is this 'playing it down' or 'weakly resisting'? It's discussing various facets? I randomly brought it up in the thread myself because I was musing on it. Given practically everyone hitherto had accepted the claim, what the crap do you think I was trying to achieve? On July 03 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: if marv is miller he has zero reason to not believe un-cc'd cop claim. therefore marv is fakeclaiming, there is no millers, there is no cop, and Lazer got an easy fakeclaim aswell. They only have to survive to N2 to win with 2KP, unless third scum is lynched. Are people on the stupid pills today or something? None of this makes any sense. I can't even respond because you're just saying things. On July 03 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: as i do not think there are 3 blues, and gumshoe can't know if there is another one. Lazer could be town due to his claim but that does not change the fact that marv should not doubt his claim. I'm assuming Lazer is town for now due to the lack of counterclaim. The presence of miller does not necessitate the presence of a cop. Nor in the instance that Lazer is fakeclaiming and there IS a real cop, would the real cop have necessarily counterclaimed by now, unless he was a) around right at the time of the lynch and b) thought he could move the lynch on to Lazer immediately. On July 03 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I said at the start of the game I would not have claimed miller just because someone asked me to. There could very well still be a miller. It is also possible that marv really IS miller but I don't believe that to be as likely as him being scum based on the way he has acted since returning. I reacted the same way when DP claimed it in CC and was grilled for it, but I believed his claim because of how he acted regarding it. Marv has not acted in this same way and been as absolutely transparent about his claim as he could have been (which imo should be expected if you claim miller and expect not to be lynched). It seems to me that marv expects to skate by on his claim because he's marv, and he's been successful so far. We'll definitely see what D2 brings regarding all of this though. By the way Rayn according to your above explanation why can't either of their claims be real? Especially Lazer's imo? I literally can't tell which of the two of you are worse. I didn't claim because rayn asked me to, I claimed because I will *always* claim self-aware miller if that's the role I receive, because I consider it best play in all circumstances. 'The way he has acted since returning'? You better back up this shit, otherwise it's just crap-flinging. There's nothing else to say about a miller-claim other than 'i'm miller'. On July 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i just said Lazer might be town. BUT IF MARV IS MILLER HE HAS ZERO REASON TO DOUBT UN-CC'D COP! marv is not a miller and not town. If any miller is yet to claim they are retarded. YOU ARE STUPID On July 03 2013 02:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: I agree w/ rayns assesment and also agree that vig should shoot into lazr/marv tonight So are you. I've got to the bottom of page 49 in my catchup, and I will continue to read after I posted this, but deadline is coming up. I'm going to talk briefly about my previous miller fake-claim as mafia, as some of you are still clinging to this (which I brought up if you'll all remember). The circumstances in that game were markedly different. I was given a simply atrocious team as my mafia team, and I decided if I wanted to win, I was going to need to do it myself and I would need a big play. Someone threw around a 40% figure for miller earlier - except it wasn't, in my calculations at the time it was 25%, based on the scum power-roles meaning that there were far fewer blues in town (blue includes miller in C9++). The two games are totally different. It's pointlessly suicidal claiming miller in this game and all of you who are flinging shit at me for it should feel bad. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv one simple question. Why have you not claimed the name of your role yet? What difference does it make if I did? | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually it isn't if you got 3x goon, as you can gamble on there being no cop and no millers, and if you fakeclaim miller and noone cc's you just got pretty much guaranteed 2x fakeclaims. Why did you assume there is a miller but no cop earlier? When did I assume there was no cop? Is your assertion seriously that mafia decided to do some fake-claim strategy in a game with all the roles laid out? Are you insane? | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Not the point, because we still have no idea if your claim is genuine, which I've been saying all game despite Rayn's flip-flopping on the matter. If you give us a name we'll have a better idea once others are forced to claim. If it makes you happy, I'm stigilitz. Although, again, this makes no difference whatsoever, but whatever. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Although to be fair it IS totally irrelevant right now, but my point is that it wasn't yesterday, and you didn't claim your name. Why was it relevant yesterday? In case another miller claimed? | ||
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On July 03 2013 04:16 Lazermonkey wrote: Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"? Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together... Still catching up, rofl this is hilarious. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote: It was doubtful another miller was going to claim that late in the day. I feel it was relevant yesterday because people figured out the game could possibly be broken with name claiming. Other people gladly did so (when under pressure), and since your role (but not the name) was out there in the interest of being transparent (since you feel that is the best play and all) I feel you should have done the same and I find the fact that you didn't scummy. Alright I'm out until after deadline. I basically afked between when I posted. By the time I read up on claiming role name (which didn't even occur to me at the time) it seemed totally pointless. | ||
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Read my long post and start feeling stupid already please. At the moment I'm putting you in the retarded-but-town camp, now I have to work out who bandwagoned with you on to this whole stupid conspiracy theory. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why on earth did he read Vayne's filter instead of Lazer/Fuba in the first place?!?!?!?!?!?! You keep repeating this, pretty sure I had a browse through Lazer's filter and decided he'd tried too much to get lynched, also pretty sure I said this at the time. | ||
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On July 03 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: If you'll remember in my posts last night I brought up the fact that Marv and Vivax were both content to relegate the lynch to those who weren't able to defend themselves at the time. I remember Marv's vote on me looking particularly awful. That's twice now I've caught you flinging shit at me without explaining why. I voted you short of time as a low-effort absent poster, which is practically the only reasonable continuation in my circumstances. I moved on to Vayne because he was even worse in that regard. | ||
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Don't think rayn is making a big play, I think he's got it into his head that scum decided to fakeclaim two roles for giggles and that makes both me and Lazer scum. whatever. rayn is right on the cusp of standard of player where he's pushing my credulity in pushing this, but in the end he's not sandroba so maybe I can let it slide. WoS looks pretty bad to me for passively encouraging this and general shit-flingyness. Do not like. Not sure about JarJar for jumping on the retardedness and jumping off later. Can't tell if he was town getting caught up or mafia realising a bad thing and getting off it at the right time. Still gonna guess from the claim he's town I guess. s0lstice is absent and still hasn't explained his vote on fuba, scummy I think. fuba mysteriously ignored my questions to him, and that makes me suspicious. I'm also suspicious of him for spending so much time thinking apparently and coming to a bad conclusion regarding the claims. | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean this part: 1. The precence of a miller is a straight out clue there is a cop, as scum have 2 KP, everything that fucks with town is too bad. 2. your a) and b) Why the fuck there is noone questioning Lazer if he had fakeclaimed? They would know Lazer is 100% scum and would definitely be questioning him. You are not this stupid. If I were cop I would be doing so after the night finished because I would be protecting my role because I'm not a complete moron. | ||
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