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On July 03 2013 12:52 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 12:45 s0Lstice wrote:
Speaking of those claims, I'm pretty interested in operating like they don't exist. That's probably a function of me being terrible with claim stuff.
When he claimed...he thought there were only 4 minutes left right? Could he not have just randomly picked a blue and got lucky that there isn't actually a cop in the game? Fuba has yet to claim, WOS is scum. What more do you want? BTW do you really believe that Wos just happened to be role blocked, and that he claimed last? Why is anyone else more suspicious than him? What major contribution has WOS made outside of being not outright scummy? Why do you still put stock in Oats word? He was wrong about Rayne and hes flip flopped for seemingly no reason on WOS other than that I attacked him.
It is within the realm of possibility that he was role-blocked and claimed last. Whether it is likely or not is pretty difficult to discern. Like I just said, I'd really prefer to just ignore the claims, considering how it shook out. I want to lynch the scummiest player. I'm talking to both of you because you are here. If we only talked to people who were right all the time, it'd be a pretty quiet game.
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Anyway, heres the deal. I'm mostly caught up. I won't have time to dig into filters tonight, but ill be doing that throughout the course of tomorrow and should be good to go for lynch. It's REALLY important that we drop their KP to 1.
Just from catching up with the thread...I feel better about Stutters and want to double down on Fuba. Stutters' case on the latter was...I think the only case I've ever seen him make. Since then, he hasn't really done anything that I find objectionable. He argued with Fuba with what looked to me like genuine fervor.
The more I look at Fuba's actions around the D1 lynch, the more I dislike it. Lazer is my 2nd atm. He didn't seem to give a shit about the how or why his vote ended up where it did.
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On July 03 2013 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 13:02 s0Lstice wrote:On July 03 2013 12:52 gumshoe wrote:On July 03 2013 12:45 s0Lstice wrote:
Speaking of those claims, I'm pretty interested in operating like they don't exist. That's probably a function of me being terrible with claim stuff.
When he claimed...he thought there were only 4 minutes left right? Could he not have just randomly picked a blue and got lucky that there isn't actually a cop in the game? Fuba has yet to claim, WOS is scum. What more do you want? BTW do you really believe that Wos just happened to be role blocked, and that he claimed last? Why is anyone else more suspicious than him? What major contribution has WOS made outside of being not outright scummy? Why do you still put stock in Oats word? He was wrong about Rayne and hes flip flopped for seemingly no reason on WOS other than that I attacked him. It is within the realm of possibility that he was role-blocked and claimed last. Whether it is likely or not is pretty difficult to discern. Like I just said, I'd really prefer to just ignore the claims, considering how it shook out. I want to lynch the scummiest player. I'm talking to both of you because you are here. If we only talked to people who were right all the time, it'd be a pretty quiet game. Sigh, no one gives my claim credence because I might be scum, but they wont kill me because I might be town : P. Revenge townie 22. Seriously if I was Marv and I came in here with this case yall would doubtlessly be down with it. Well maybe not Marv this game XD. Though I'll agree with you for now, they're are other scum out there. Also how do you feel about Fuba not having claimed? They're are also no spots left to claim but survivor. Will you believe him if thats what he decides?
Fuba claiming survivor is a definite worry. We are in trouble if he is telling the truth and we lynch him. Today definitely needs to be a scum lynch. The best thing to do is have other, quality scum reads at the ready, and to cross that bridge when we come to it. This is what I plan on doing...but I'm reasonably sure that whatever happens, Fuba is not town.
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Also, gumshoe I didn't answer about WoS. I'm not certain right now. I'll be reading him along with everybody else.
My general impression when I was catching up is that you have the right thematic elements of his contributions this game. He just seemed...inactive (less so than me to be fair). Nothing really leaped off the page, but I will be looking closer.
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Oats, before I go, your read on Marv is what?
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On July 03 2013 11:29 s0Lstice wrote:
something important on Marv while I'm reading
he told me something in Les Mis where we were both town, and hence had no reason to lie to me. he said he doesn't get in serious hot head shitfests as scum because it feels unsportsmanlike. I'm seeing that here...he is staying in thread and throwing down with reckless abandon. he straight up told someone 'fuck you' because he was being pestered from 100 different angles. I'm leaning town because of this.
take this in to consideration. mobbing Marv when he is town is going to be damaging for us, and until we get a scum lynch we are really walking the line.
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uuuugh I have such an aversion to this claim analyzing stuff.
fuba...did you start the game with the intention to play pro-town?
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On July 04 2013 12:15 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar Solstic and Fuba, all here in force. All pretty much preaching the same tune. Cute.
Your smarm is not amusing in the least.
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On July 04 2013 12:31 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 12:18 s0Lstice wrote:On July 04 2013 12:15 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar Solstic and Fuba, all here in force. All pretty much preaching the same tune. Cute. Your smarm is not amusing in the least. I apologize ) : that was not nice. I dont actually know what you are, but the company you seem to keep is somewhat alarming.
yea I get that, but I don't care. I want to get this lynch right. one thing that I keep kicking around is that survivor WoS' shortest path to victory just before when he renounced his vigi claim was with scum (I think? lynching a townie today would put us at 5-3-1-->3-3-1 after NKs). I feel like this should have been really attractive to him...enough to not claim his true role and try to get the lynch onto a townie.
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oh cool, so you can answer what I just posed to gumshoe then?
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Yea, my gut says fuba. After reading over everything, the narrative just makes more sense for WoS as survivor. My read on WoS never really pinged off of 'he exists,' and fuba looked red around the D1 lynch, so that's heartening for me too. We got some time, so I'm gonna read it over again when I'm not so tired tomorrow...but fuba looks like the right lynch.
##vote fuba
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On July 05 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway I think I'm feeling about as good about this lynch as I'm going to. So let's see how it goes.
This is basically where I'm at too.
I also think that WoS legitimately thought that he was fucked, and hence just didn't have the fight in him to make an attempt at winning with scum today by getting a townie lynched.
Just general attitudes though as well. Oats I think said this. Fuba's postings don't line up with the narrative he is pushing here.
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One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.
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On July 05 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
well I assume he didnt know who the survivor was and thought that he wont be counterclaimed.
scum team had to be thinking strongly that WoS was survivor. WoS explained the overtures he was making to them.
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On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor. I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another.
Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning.
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Yea, in that spot I could see survivor being the choice. I still feel like I'd have CC'd a scummate just to be a boss though ;D
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On July 05 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:12 s0Lstice wrote:On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor. I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another. Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning. yeah. so why do you tihnk we should be discussing that again? 
I was trying to get a handle on how attractive each of those options was. Thinking out loud. If CCing a teammate is the optimal play despite going down a KP, then it muddies the waters a bit. I think though that the survivor claim has enough juice that scum could have decided to go that route.
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For someone who is supposedly fighting against the righteous indignation of being CC'd to avoid a lynch, Fuba is being quiet.
I'm one to talk I know...but it makes me feel better about my choice.
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On July 05 2013 02:48 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 02:22 s0Lstice wrote:
For someone who is supposedly fighting against the righteous indignation of being CC'd to avoid a lynch, Fuba is being quiet.
I'm one to talk I know...but it makes me feel better about my choice. But look at what WoS is posting. Just defending his own play and why we should lynch fuba no comments on anything else in case he dies. I don't think this is alignment indicative at all.
He is doing that because today is about the two of them, and them only. He is not commenting on anything else because he is an outed survivor, and needs to strike a balance between the two teams in the game. Doing nothing for either is balance. There is no problem there as I see it.
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On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen
Can you explain WoS exactly what you were doing to be nice to the scumteam? Are you speaking of claiming vig instead of survivor?
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