[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia - Page 6

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 08 2013 19:50 GMT

#1210

On July 09 2013 04:49 VayneAuthority wrote:

your job is to convince others I am scum, why do you want me to respond 0o

I read it and it's all fine and dandy but you just don't know my playstyle. It's fine.

I don't think anyone knows your playstyle.
That's why you get lynched every game as town.

WaveofShadow

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July 08 2013 19:56 GMT

#1217

On July 09 2013 04:52 VayneAuthority wrote:

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I've been lynched once ever and that was because everyone sheeped marv for no reason when most of the thread even had townreads on me. I wasn't even there to defend myself so I have basically never been mislynched. I don't see how that is every game LOL

Oh I forgot you weren't lynched in I Swear.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 08 2013 20:58 GMT

#1282

Be back later at my usual time.
Dandel didn't do anything to show me that I should move my vote

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 08 2013 21:01 GMT

#1286

I also think its hialrious that so many people are so sure DI wagon is a mislynch yet clearly a wagon that pops up with 2h to go that everybody jumps on isn't.

Lol.

WaveofShadow

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July 08 2013 23:36 GMT

#1425

Clearly MZ and I are both scum and I knew NG was town at the start which is why I claimed blue and redirected the nuke.
Retarded suspicion is retarded.

Anyway sorry for the shit redirect I guess. Already explained myself so I don't really have anything else to say on the matter.
I still think DI is scum and I still want him dead. Anybody conveniently feel like calling me scum for that too?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 08 2013 23:45 GMT

#1430

Well clearly I believe MZ to be town otherwise I wouldn't have saved him.
Honestly my main thoughts regarding the redirect wasn't so much to kill NG as it was to save MZ.
His contribution definitely fell off as the day went on though so in return for saving his life I would hope that his second chance would make him help out a little more.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 08 2013 23:46 GMT

#1432

I should also note that his thinking pretty much aligns with mine in most respects as well; you'd know a lot about giving people townreads with only that in mind, wouldn't you Rayn?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 00:00 GMT

#1441

On July 09 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WaveofShadow: Answer me this.

I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia?

I wasn't scummy as hell.
If we were both scum do you REALLY think that 2 scum would give themselves away in this manner?
Really? This is the second time I've had to say so in this game, but Rayn, you're better than this.

Make it a third time and I might be forced to think you're coming up with terrible shit on purpose.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 00:03 GMT

#1444

Yeah you know what, that's actually a good fucking point.
Why in all that's holy would you have nuked MZ?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 00:05 GMT

#1448

On July 09 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not like i could have done anything about that after i launched it..

Why did you launch it in the first place?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 00:16 GMT

#1454

On July 09 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn what??????
Doesnt make sense to claim the nuke as scum though.

No it doesn't. I don't think it makes Rayn scum I'm just trying to wrap my mind around his thought process.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 00:27 GMT

#1461

On July 09 2013 09:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Work with me on this one guys:

Chez nukes here

Nuke is announced here

Rayn starts calling for Chez to be nuked here

I call him out here

Rayn says and I quote "I don't have a nuke, someone nuke chezinu" here

Mystery nuke is launched here

what the fuck

Uh...hm.
Maybe Rayn IS scum.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 02:02 GMT

#1494

On July 09 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also DI doesnt play lurky as scum so its not alignment indicative that hes been gone.

Uh, wat?
Les Mafia he certainly did.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 02:04 GMT

#1497

From our scum QT:
DandelionPerson was signed in when posted
05-19-2013
12:07 PM ET (US)
or, you know, keep getting lynched

's cool

I have no motivation for playing scum either.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 02:09 GMT

#1504

Here's another choice exerpt, btw:
DandelionPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2013
06:37 PM ET (US)
it's consistent, vayne really has no idea how to play.

but it got him townreads, so that's cool.

Again, what I always tell my mafia teams:
If you want towncred bus me.
I will get lynched.
It's inevitible.
If you want I'll bus you back, that's optional.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 02:09 GMT

#1505

Vayne can confirm those are real.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 02:54 GMT

#1515

On July 09 2013 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok I reread the ON lynch and didnt really see anyone pushing Dandel otherwise. Like it was just convincng people to vote for ON and not convincing people to NOT vote for dandel.

Ace, what do you mean by legit?

On July 09 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also think its hialrious that so many people are so sure DI wagon is a mislynch yet clearly a wagon that pops up with 2h to go that everybody jumps on isn't.

Lol.

I wasn't around when the ON lynch popped up but I was not on board for it and still would have pushed for Dandel. Take that as you will.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 14:35 GMT

#1715

On July 09 2013 23:30 Xatalos wrote:

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On July 09 2013 23:22 Dandel Ion wrote:

On July 09 2013 22:35 Ace wrote:

On July 09 2013 22:10 jampidampi wrote:

On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote:
@jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption.

Here's my new thought process.

Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this.

stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this?

Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction.

rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here.

If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum?

He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum:

On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you?

No it was not me.

I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so.

Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.

Town is not going to willy nilly claim nukes on the first day. If we all claimed we could nuke how would that tell us who nuked MZ? We can't verify anything that quickly in the game and Scum may also have nukes. That explanation is not a strong argument at all.

Also we have to be aware of a fallacy here. If MZ is Town and he was nuked, and no one claims we are assuming it came from Scum. It could come from a townie who did not want to fess up. It could have come from 3rd party who isn't claiming shit. We are assuming that not claiming = Scum motivation. rayne claims it at the end of the day, and thus should be considered Town for fessing up to a legit nuke that he came up with an explanation for ahead of time. If not, he was just setting up a gambit to catch scum. That is extremely convenient wouldn't you say so?

On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote:

On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote:

On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:

On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:

On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:

On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.

There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.

MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.

I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.

Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless.

So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all.

Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now.

Explain why:
1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG
2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure
3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan

No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this.

1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu?

2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it.

3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise.

Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here?

I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around.

1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later).
2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point?
3) See above.

Ok I'm going to put myself in your shoes. I definitely believe that sometimes if a wagon is going too smoothly unopposed, it may be a Town lynch. So there were definitely legit pro-town motives for stopping the wagon. However, there also exists scum motives for stopping it if DI is Scum. Of course we do not know what his alignment is so both happen to coincide. Here is my disagreement with "Di is probably Town": He told us he would be lurking at the start of the game and peaced out. Right before his lynch, he shows up to defend himself, people are easily convinced and we end up lynching ON. My problem here is that ON also posted a credible defense, but votes still piled on to him. Look at the voting lists for DI vs ON. Lots of those people never even voted for DI. If DI is Scum and his buddies held off long enough then when they appear to vote ON they don't look bad for not vote switching on to an innocent lynch. They just happened to be convinced by austin's case and voted.

Now back to this: if you believe that rayne is scum and DI is town then why wouldn't he help change the vote? If that is thread sentiment he still appears to be Town. If neither of his scum buddies are up for vote then why does it matter? I think you have this notion that all scum play the same way and that assumption is making you think rayne must be Town. For the last time, since I've answered this so much: I pursued rayne because of MZ's post. I'm not going to throw suspicion on several people, especially at night. That accomplishes nothing. Also stop assuming I don't have suspicions anywhere else.

1.) If you do not believe rayne has the capacity to launch nukes then what do you think of MZ's post? You must be believing rayne had this gambit setup well ahead of time then correct? If he is Scum and Chez is scum then he isn't going to launch no matter what. He could have easily felt no one would go back and read early day 1. No one except MZ went back to do so. He is rightly justified in making that play then.

2.) That is a false assumption. I don't think you can even get half the forum to agree with you on that. You are flat out wrong.

1) haters gonna hate
2) lining up them mislynches

On July 09 2013 22:56 Ace wrote:
Dandel. I'm not sure about my other scum reads yet, and I'd rather take care off this business first.

3) let's tunnel dandel instead of doing anything else because it's so much easier

4) haters gonna hate

Your opinion on rayn/Ace?

Do you people seriously believe DI is town after this?
Also I'm scared because Ace and I are agreeing on stuff right now.
Xatalos I'm surprised you're so quick to believe Rayn is making crazy town plays right now. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 14:36 GMT

#1716

Honestly nothing Rayn has done makes a whole lot of sense anymore so I don't know what to think.
I DO think DI is scum and needs to be destroyed, however.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

July 09 2013 18:37 GMT

#1741

Lol....Rayn.
If you actually pulled this move and you are town I gotta give you some credit. That's some sneaky shit and I have a great deal of respect for this if you're making a play. Most people prefer to play straight and I haven't seen a fake play like this since my first game on the site.

Some of your conclusions are pretty solid. I'd vote Maju and I want to take a good look an Austin now especially since he was the main proponent of the ON lych which everyone seems to for some reason) agree was completely town-motivated. Since I believe DI to be scum I don't think that's the case.
I'm not sure about jampi because he's a newbie, and it's possible he simply may not have thought about silent nuke not firing when you say it out loud. That being said I remember noticing him talking about that and thinking wtf. I will keep my eye on him.

Biggest problem I find is Ace. A lot of the points he has brought up regarding you strike true with me. I am certainly not convinced he is scum and I believe it is more likely that you are scum than he is, though I also believe it is very possible you are both town. I'd like to see what he makes of your 'big play' and his reaction to it.

I won't be doing any major posting till my usual time later, probably after lynch but I will try to get a list of my reads before deadline just in case I'm shot (doubt it).

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