[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia - Page 169

On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As much as I love being confirmed town and not obligated to post anything useful, here are some rationales

Stutters All he's done is lurk and admit his role is to give fake nukes to people. As a towny, this role has questionable use other than trolling. He could give them to scummers but scummers already have silent nukes. So he could just give it to someone he thinks is a scummer and watch who he hits, learning who is town through multiple layers of WIFOM, enough to make the reads those nukes give questionable. If he gives them to towns, well that just hampers the town effort.

Note that a Cheap Chinese Nuke Manufacturer could be a blue role. You vig your townreads and hope that they can kill a scum or two with your nukes, but no guarantees the nukes work. A Toy Store has no benefit to town.

Chezinu I just don't like him. First he speaks in ways that make no sense to me and then he lurks for the second half of the game. His voting patters combined with general ninjavoting suggest to me, as well as spoilering his townreads, suggest to me that he doesn't actually want to push anything and can just settle for someone else pushing the wrong person and then piggybacking on that wagon.

strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing.



Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer.

On July 16 2013 04:36 VayneAuthority wrote:


I contributed a lot to this game unlike roulette (except endgame where I sealed the victory with avoiding my mislynch)

I have written quite a lot on this game so no im not lazy at all here

On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing.



Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer.

On July 16 2013 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
gonna have to agree with geript. Koshi is scum or just...wow. Pretty much disagree with that entire post he just made. I went through the list of people in this game and realize I dont trust a single person. Hard to narrow it down to a team of scum.

On July 16 2013 04:51 geript wrote:
Thanks, but it's not my birthday. I never give online sites my actual date or year of birth for security reasons.

On July 15 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gumshoe why you play like that .

SnB is shitting on lynch, SnB, why did you shit on lynch and not provide alternatives?

On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote:
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.

I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.

If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.

On July 16 2013 04:52 johnnywup wrote:

You don't trust anyone?

On July 16 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
Oats is also a lot afk, but Oats is considered town, but I would like to see him more active. SnB is not putting enough time in this game, he could be scum very easily.

lol this is great. So popular opinion dictates Oats is town so I won't try to mislynch him, but SnB is scum for the same reason, and hey magically everyone is suspicious of him too!

On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As much as I love being confirmed town and not obligated to post anything useful, here are some rationales

Stutters All he's done is lurk and admit his role is to give fake nukes to people. As a towny, this role has questionable use other than trolling. He could give them to scummers but scummers already have silent nukes. So he could just give it to someone he thinks is a scummer and watch who he hits, learning who is town through multiple layers of WIFOM, enough to make the reads those nukes give questionable. If he gives them to towns, well that just hampers the town effort.

Note that a Cheap Chinese Nuke Manufacturer could be a blue role. You vig your townreads and hope that they can kill a scum or two with your nukes, but no guarantees the nukes work. A Toy Store has no benefit to town.

Chezinu I just don't like him. First he speaks in ways that make no sense to me and then he lurks for the second half of the game. His voting patters combined with general ninjavoting suggest to me, as well as spoilering his townreads, suggest to me that he doesn't actually want to push anything and can just settle for someone else pushing the wrong person and then piggybacking on that wagon.

strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing.



Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer.

On July 16 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
and if you guys still think me being inactive means i'm scum then check this gem of a town filter.
or also mtg mini mafia where i got bored and left marv to play the game by himself.

some games are less motivating to me than others but it's not alignment indicative.

so if you all still want to lynch me then whatever but know that you're stupid for it.

On July 15 2013 04:58 austinmcc wrote:
strongandbig's reads/notes this game:

scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc,

town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?,

As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju.

---

---

---

---

---

I wanted to compare that to some recent past games.

Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think)
scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos,
town - rayn,
3P - palmar

(Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P).

Carnival Cruise (snb scum)
scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush,
town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS

Boardwalk Empire (town)
scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax
town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi,

RED Team's Prize (town)
scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone,
town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1),

screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler +


The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc.

(1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks.

(2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games.

(3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy.

On July 16 2013 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
That's it? He contributes nothing and is happy with it, but one time VA did the same thing as town so snb probably town?

Does that match up with town snb or scum snb in your mind? Do you think we have 4 immune ones? Did you look at some of the posts about snb and how his play this game is different than in his town games?