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EBWOP:
It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid town tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say.
I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE.
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On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you.
You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame.
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On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame.
I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player.
Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself."
I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.
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On July 11 2013 12:29 FirmTofu wrote:
EBWOP:
It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid scum tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say.
I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE.
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On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame. I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player. Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself." I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.
You've had 3 reads this game and one of them is dead as the doctor, the other is me and WoS. The fact you are talking about bad play when you have remained static the entire game is laughable. You are not assimilating any new information from the game.
Let me ask how you'll feel when I flip green? Who will you tunnel next after your 2 scumreads are both town?
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On July 11 2013 12:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame. I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player. Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself." I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now. You've had 3 reads this game and one of them is dead as the doctor, the other is me and WoS. The fact you are talking about bad play when you have remained static the entire game is laughable. You are not assimilating any new information from the game. Let me ask how you'll feel when I flip green? Who will you tunnel next after your 2 scumreads are both town?
I'll have you know that I accused Ace and jampidampi as well. If you actually read the thread, you would know that. Even if my reads are all wrong, I can remain confident that I have contributed plenty to the thread and have caused a few reactions from people that confirmed them as town to others. My play is fine. Instead of insulting me, can you play the game and defend yourself from my accusations?
I will not continue this conversation if all you do is attack me personally.
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On July 11 2013 12:34 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame. I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player.Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself." I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now.
hurr guess were done here then, don't have time for hypocrites
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Ok guys I have a nuke.
Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing.
Who should I nuke?
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EBWOP
Actually town would lose a kill and a townie which is worse than nothing.
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On July 11 2013 07:04 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote:On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).
If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:
1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way
2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this
But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.
##Unvote
austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.
The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).
Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.
##Vote MajuGarzett You maths don't work...scum! Enlighten me with your math skills.
This does not add up: 3P 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%.
Let us assume that 3P is our unknown percentage cause its the most messed up looking, where L is the lower limit and U is the upper limit.
3P L-U%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%
L=100 - ({max percentage town} + {max percentage scum})
L=100 - (50 + 10)= 40%
U=100 - ({min percentage town} + {min percentage scum})
U=100 - (10 + 1)= 89%
Here is a single solution to the problem 40-89%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. Now, if these percentages do not fit well your internal calculator for perception, then you may need to adjust the town and scum percentages. If you can't do that, well then your internal calculator for perception is broken!
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On July 11 2013 09:41 geript wrote:No. You choosing to not do shit is dumb. Here, I'm giving you 3 nukes. You must fire them today. Who you firing at and why?
What about My nukes?
Chezinu Banking System will fire all nukes donated. CBS will does not waste any items because CBS cares for the environment.
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On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote:
Ok guys I have a nuke.
Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing.
Who should I nuke?
Also I want to go to sleep before 4 AM so try to give your input quickly.
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Please nuke jampidampi. We lose absolutely nothing if he dies, and he is scummy as hell
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Here are a list of places:
3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
11. Onegu
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi
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On July 11 2013 13:56 Chezinu wrote:
Here are a list of places:
3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
11. Onegu
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi
This is a pretty good list, Chezinu. I probably wouldn't put Xatalos there and I would advise against WoS/Oatsmaster, but other than that I would cautiously endorse a nuke on any of those targets.
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On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:
ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
DI wagon:
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.
The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.
Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.
@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.
Time to role claim.
Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done 
So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.
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On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:
ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
DI wagon:
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.
The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.
Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.
@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.
Time to role claim. Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.
Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam...
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I don't think I ever answered Ace's question either, now that I think about it. I voted Vayne for the same reason anyone ever votes for Ralph Nader. Because I believed.
I really thought Vayne was the best lynch. I wasn't convinced ON was scum. I wasn't convinced DI was scum. Not sure what else to tell you.
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On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:
ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
DI wagon:
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.
The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.
Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.
@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.
Time to role claim. Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.
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