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To waste a town lynch on jampi and force us to fuck around another day on MG when we could have dealt with him already if the nuke on jampi had just landed.
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On July 15 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
So basically your case is an association case, is that right?
It's not, really.
You're not reading the case properly.
Regardless on MG's flip Geript is trying to force us to waste our time.
Someone said they asked Artanis whether it would show if the nuke lands if we lynch MG and apparently it DOESN'T.
This means that Geript will have wasted our time again and we will learn absolutely nothing about Stutters' role if he has is way and we lynch MG.
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I'm not voting Austin today.
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Why is MG still being lynched exactly?
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On July 15 2013 01:51 Ace wrote:
Deadline should have passed, so Stutters was telling the truth. Austin also confessed to raiding him so he was telling the truth about that too.
austin why did you wait this long to tell the truth about targeting Stutters? You read the interaction between me and him when we were both confused about why the nuke never went off. You could have said something right?
Stutters was telling the truth about what?
According to Vayne if he was telling the truth you should never have even been able to launch a nuke.
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On July 15 2013 02:00 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 01:51 Ace wrote:
Deadline should have passed, so Stutters was telling the truth. Austin also confessed to raiding him so he was telling the truth about that too.
austin why did you wait this long to tell the truth about targeting Stutters? You read the interaction between me and him when we were both confused about why the nuke never went off. You could have said something right? Stutters was telling the truth about what? According to Vayne if he was telling the truth you should never have even been able to launch a nuke. ??? I thought the nuke not killing Maju was the test for whether it was fake or not. Are we sure the actual launch is the test?
...What?
The nuke hasn't landed yet.
Ace what are you talking about?
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Lol austin you're making so many assumptions with this case its ridiculous.
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On July 15 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol austin you're making so many assumptions with this case its ridiculous.
Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:28 johnnywup wrote:
have you been paying attention austin
actually yeah I don't know why you're assuming that there's an infinite vig. that would be crazy broken. Yeah, I'm making assumptions. Either we had one silent nuker with two nukes who could only shoot once per day OR Two silent nukers and one happened to hold a shot for the second day OR Someone, scum or 3P, gets a silent nuke each day, and used it to shoot at town I find the third more likely than the first two. An infinite vig is not crazy broken in a game where multiple people pass out nukes every 2 nights, or at least I don't believe it to be. As of now, based on what we've seen, the only nukes that started off existing were the volatile ones, and we've seen multiple folks flip as technicians. Implying that nukes that didn't start in this game are created. It's less damning when it doesn't match up with stutters role PM, but you guys know who I raided if I end up killified.
Honestly, I believe that you believe what you've been saying, I just don't necessarily agree with it; it seems just as likely to me that some random scummer only had two nukes or something.
I won't have time until after the flip later tonight, but can someone compile a list of claims/roles we know of so far and actions?
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On July 15 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
@WaveofShadow Are you staying on geript or not? If not where are you going? I think I will follow you...
There are a few options I see open to me atm. I would switch within reason but of today's 'popular' topics I will not be voting for MG, Austin, or CA.
Right now I am staying on Geript. If we a lot of trouble consolidating I would feel comfortable voting Gumshoe. I would really like to see what Ace is going to be doing with his vote today, because as of now he is still on MG.
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Onegu isn't scum.
Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town.
I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta.
Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now.
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I'm a person.
Z-Boson, I already elaborated.
On July 14 2013 15:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok NOW I'm going to bed. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:39 Onegu wrote:
Umm it is possible I killed firm tofu I visited him last night... I hate your filter. Looks horrible, but the above post is what forces me to believe that you're town. Nothing more to say.
I actually need to go read Chrono Trigger for another reason as well---good reason as any to have a look at SnB's play.
Oats you're better at yelling at people than me. Less than 3 hour to lynch, no consolidation. Do your thing breh.
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On July 15 2013 04:10 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:45 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 03:33 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't. Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude You say that we only agree on Geript, while we also agree on not killing MG (which is rare) and that gumshoe is an option as well. I have also said 1684567856444 times in this thread that I am pro Austin and the only reason that I want him lynched is because Xatalos said so. CA is CA and I don't really want him lynched but I wouldn't mind. Fucking hell. Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest. Are you like 15 or something?
Haha I kind of agree here.
For what it's worth though I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. I don't think I've ever seen mafia do in-depth numbers analysis like he did, and it wouldn't make sense to try and alert the town to KP reduction possibilities.
Z Boson I'd like you to comment on Geript atm. You already shot my case down but you really didin't offer much in terms of reasoning, and especially now that we know that if we simultaneously lynch and nuke MG we don't find out if the nuke is real or not it makes sense that Geript is looking to bury info and buy scum as much time as possible.
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On July 15 2013 04:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 15 2013 04:10 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 03:33 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't. Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude You say that we only agree on Geript, while we also agree on not killing MG (which is rare) and that gumshoe is an option as well. I have also said 1684567856444 times in this thread that I am pro Austin and the only reason that I want him lynched is because Xatalos said so. CA is CA and I don't really want him lynched but I wouldn't mind. Fucking hell. Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest. Are you like 15 or something? Haha I kind of agree here. For what it's worth though I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. I don't think I've ever seen mafia do in-depth numbers analysis like he did, and it wouldn't make sense to try and alert the town to KP reduction possibilities. Z Boson I'd like you to comment on Geript atm. You already shot my case down but you really didin't offer much in terms of reasoning, and especially now that we know that if we simultaneously lynch and nuke MG we don't find out if the nuke is real or not it makes sense that Geript is looking to bury info and buy scum as much time as possible. Problem I'm having with geript lynch is two things 1) His posts in beginning of day1 were pretty decent. I recall that when I was catching up I ended up agreeing with him in a lot of aspects 2) Him shooting down jampidampi nuke for his weird-ass reasoning if a reaaally weird play to make as scum. Only possible scum scenario I can think of is if he wanted some town cred for shooting down a townie, but that's just so risky. Can you link the main points against geript you'd like me to answer?
I agree with what you've said and I firmly believed him to be town earlier on in the game but I changed my mind on him based on his shitflinging towards me and now his actions regarding jampi.
It's not the protection of jampi that worries me (ie 'well-meaning townie' as Oats says) it's that plus the idea that he wants us SPECIFICALLY not to nuke MG from the very start of last night and rather to use our lynch on him.
Combined with scum reasoning for shooting down the jampi nuke (towncred + wasting our lynch as he knew town sentiment was against letting jampi live, therefore he knew we'd waste our lynch on him) Geript must be scum.
As far as Geript responding to me, I believe he did already but he didn't really tackle my points against him head on, and tries to skirt around it by treating my claims as ridiculous.
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Holy shit I'm going to need a fucking week to read Chrono Trigger. What the fuck guys?
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On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia.
No mention of Geript whatsoever?
And why is the choice between Onegu and SnB, Ace?
I mean, that's an easy choice for me as I have Onegu firmly as town, but why did you present those two as options specifically? It reads as though you're trying to lead a lynch away from somewhere.
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On July 15 2013 04:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
You dont really need to read chrono WoS. Lotta setup talk.
So Ace, who do we lynch?
NOT RELATED TO THIS GAME:
That's exactly why I need to read it eventually. 
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On July 15 2013 04:39 Ace wrote:
@WoS: Makes 0 sense to lynch geript today. Not unless Maju flips Scum.
Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum.
If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now.
Ugh.
It's so simple I basically can't refuse but that makes me so goddamn paranoid I'm ripping my hair out.
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On July 15 2013 04:44 Ace wrote:
Oats I really dont see a gumshoe lynch being productive right now.
@Wos: keep your sanity. Which path do you want to go down?
At the moment I know I don't want to lynch into the Stutters/MG/You bullshit.
I suppose I could lynch SnB and apparently if I switch Koshi will too?
Oats switching makes me feel ok about it....
I know this sort of makes sense but why did SnB claim when he did? Being the last person to claim a role doesn't necessarily make you scum, an that's assuming there are only 3-4 of this one role and that one must be mafia aligned. The triple-cop-claim caper proved us very wrong in that regard and it fucked us all game. This switch that so many people are seemingly on board for reads to me like the ON switch. I didn't like that one then and you saw how it turned out.
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I don't like that Austin is currently leading in votes right now.
Austin I think we may have to switch.
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Oh you did.
I REALLY don't feel good about this at all but I don't want Austin lynched.
People let's go, get on SnB. If we lose let's fucking do it in style.
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