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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 13:07 GMT
#1234
Is it okay to request a vote count?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 15:21 GMT
#1238
On June 29 2013 00:09 Spicydinosaur wrote:
EBWOP: It seems a much easier route would be for scum onegu to easily have picked another town role, say veteran and that would ensure his safety for at least another day due to people not wanting to risk killing 2 blues in a row, plus with the added assurance that if another person claimed veteran, it doesnt necessarily conflict.


I disagree. Why would a Vet claim save him? There is no way for town to ever confirm his Vet claim. There is no good reason for him to claim Vet at that time. In fact, if he had claimed Vet I would of seen it as a scummy claim.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:15 GMT
#1244
On June 29 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 22:06 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just caught up on 10 pages of thread.

On June 28 2013 20:25 hzflank wrote:
So they happen to watch Hurricane, who happens to have a power role, who happens to use it on the same person that you pick to watch.

Specifically, we need to look at why the scum chose to track Hurricane. This is important.

Btw, it was no accident that our cop died on night 1. Look at Chromatically's filter, he was telegraphing cop. Unfortunately the town did not pick up on this a provide any cover (by acting like a cop). The scum picked up on it though and therefore they are obviously trying to work out who has roles.


Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences. Also by reading thread has hurricane actually confirmed he visited alakaslam or are we just assuming it?



Hurricane confirmed it.

I did not like the way that he confirmed it, as you will read. However, Hurricane was my strongest town read and he was extremely tired at the time.

you lie. Vote this guy in the Lylo!


Where was the lie?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:16 GMT
#1247
On June 29 2013 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Town, tofu is clearly somehow able to deduce what is up. I give him and hurricane any credence my lynch gives me. Also though they both tunneled me I am not as suspicious of Aqua as of hz flank. But this stupid Lylo will be so hard because of the lurkers.


I also apologize for basically giving mafia the game in a bottle rocket.



Are you crazy? If Onegu flips red then you think that I am the most likely scum?

If Onegu flips red then there is a really obvious scum player, and it is not me.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:19 GMT
#1250
Noisy Neighbour knows who they visit (I think).
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:23 GMT
#1256
On June 29 2013 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:15 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On June 28 2013 22:06 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just caught up on 10 pages of thread.

On June 28 2013 20:25 hzflank wrote:
So they happen to watch Hurricane, who happens to have a power role, who happens to use it on the same person that you pick to watch.

Specifically, we need to look at why the scum chose to track Hurricane. This is important.

Btw, it was no accident that our cop died on night 1. Look at Chromatically's filter, he was telegraphing cop. Unfortunately the town did not pick up on this a provide any cover (by acting like a cop). The scum picked up on it though and therefore they are obviously trying to work out who has roles.


Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences. Also by reading thread has hurricane actually confirmed he visited alakaslam or are we just assuming it?



Hurricane confirmed it.

I did not like the way that he confirmed it, as you will read. However, Hurricane was my strongest town read and he was extremely tired at the time.

you lie. Vote this guy in the Lylo!


Where was the lie?

Hurricane never confirmed this, never CONFIRMED- he simply told town do not jump to conclusions. Scum would push for my lynch so would misconstrue what Hurricane said because he is leading us right now. He has the most credence.


On June 28 2013 18:38 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Could be, but is it likely? What's to stop the mafia from deducing that I was Watcher Onegu's target, and sending their Tracker into the thread to claim?

hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:24 GMT
#1257
EBWOP, when he says 'Watcher Onegu's target' he means the person that Onegu was visitng.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:33 GMT
#1270
On June 29 2013 01:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Who do you think Alakaslam's teammates are if he is scum?
Who do you think Onegu's teammates are if he is scum?

Look at the bandwagons because scum will likely pick the same wagon.

This question is directed to all town, but I would like hzflank to answer specifically.


I will do Onegu first as it is much easier.

If Onegu is scum then: Aquanim is 99% scum. If Onegu flips red then it will take a small miracle to make me move my day 4 vote off of Aqua. Spicy and Lonemeow would be the other possibilities. I am not sure about StimAddict as there is little to go off of, but if Aqua also flips red then Stim is 100% confirmed Town.

If Alakaslam is scum then it is more difficult:

I don't want to answer this right now. I need to get a coffee and mull over it.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:51 GMT
#1281
On June 29 2013 01:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:39 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin

If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you.

Actually Hurricane is already on it, so we are gonna need to convince hzflank, StiM, or LoneMeow

Unfortunately, between StiM and LoneMeow, there is probably 1 scum and I don't know which so we should work on convincing hzflank who I am almost certain is town.


You think that I have the deciding vote? Fair enough.

##Unvote

Scum, get on board and defend your team mate, because I am not placing my vote until the last second.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 16:58 GMT
#1285
On June 29 2013 01:53 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:51 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:44 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:39 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 01:33 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be lynched. Oh and how did I know? GG, I have bamcis goodbye post comin

If Hurricane votes Onegu again or if hzflank switches his vote back to Onegu, you won't be lynched. Calm down and try to make a case for yourself. Panicking isn't going to help you.

Actually Hurricane is already on it, so we are gonna need to convince hzflank, StiM, or LoneMeow

Unfortunately, between StiM and LoneMeow, there is probably 1 scum and I don't know which so we should work on convincing hzflank who I am almost certain is town.


You think that I have the deciding vote? Fair enough.

##Unvote

Scum, get on board and defend your team mate, because I am not placing my vote until the last second.

Thank you. I think you have made the right decision.


I have not yet made a decision. I have made what I believe is the best play at this time. I cannot make a decision until we hear from Hurricane, Lone and Stim. I do not want my vote to influence their play.

I will make my decision once they have made theirs.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:03 GMT
#1342
On June 29 2013 03:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
If what I'm saying doesn't make sense to anyone else, speak up now. I need to make my logic crystal clear before the vote. If there are flaws in my argument, don't keep it to yourself. TELL ME so I have time to re-evaluate my position.


What you are saying makes sense. I came to the exact same conclusions. There is a single thing that bothers me, which is that I do not like one implication of Onegu flipping scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:19 GMT
#1355
On June 29 2013 04:17 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 04:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:08 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:07 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:01 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 29 2013 03:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 29 2013 03:33 FirmTofu wrote:
There are too many people on the Alakaslam bandwagon, meaning that scum has to be on it.

Q: Why would scum vote out their own man?
A: They wouldn't. They are voting for someone they know to be town.

Hurricane, I am deeply disappointed in you. You need to consider what the mafia team could possibly be at this point if Alakaslam is mafia.


Or they could be bussing and trying to get ahead of the wagon. you ever consider scum splitting up the votes? Also suprising you didnt apply this logic to the xzavier vote. 7 people were on him and you didnt go "oh shit this guy has to be town," no you kept your vote on him and lied to get others to join. You cant use this logic when you completely ignored it in the past.


I did consider it, but have since ruled it out as a possibility. We have already established that either Onegu or Alakaslam MUST be mafia.

This puts mafia in an awkward position. They need to save their teammate because a lynch on them would spiral out of control and likely end up with multiple mafia lynches through consecutive days.

If Alakaslam is mafia, StiM will likely get lynched the following day.
If Onegu is mafia, we get (basically) get another confirmed mafia the next day.

Thus, I do not think that mafia, in this circumstance, would be willing to give up two of their members just to split the vote and appear innocent. They must choose the same wagon to prevent a snowball effectno matter which one flips mafia.

Again, I want to reiterate that I am not voting Onegu because he is 100% scum. I believe the evidence against Onegu outweighs anything placed on Alakaslam. I also cannot see how or why a scum team would tell the flustering and bumbling Alakaslam to claim.

Alakaslam genuinely looks like he is acting independently of any external input(aside from maybe a town coach).


I figured it out. You want to buy a lottery ticket. I want to buy house insurance.

I just don't think the likelihood of a fire is very high, and the odds of winning the lottery are 50/50.


But if your lottery ticket is a bust, we're left with nothing. At least with insurance, we can throw a bitchin' fireworks party.

Let's just avoid cooking in the damn house, GOD DAMN IT!


But I have such a great recipe for Spicy Dinosaur
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:22 GMT
#1359
On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town.


There is still the Stim Factor.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:30 GMT
#1369
On June 29 2013 04:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town.


There is still the Stim Factor.


Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight?

Wouldn't we be in a LYLO situation if StiM and Alakaslam both flipped town?


It would be game over.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:30 GMT
#1371
EBWOP, assuming the NK goes through.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:32 GMT
#1373
On June 29 2013 04:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 04:22 hzflank wrote:
On June 29 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Not the jokes. The jokes are good, I laughed hz/tofu. The debate over who is more guilty (slam / onegu) seems dumb. I can't imagine that anyone has some crucial point they've yet to contribute to this issue, so theoretically everyone has formed an opinion at this time. Now is the time to plan for our future as a Town.


There is still the Stim Factor.


Would you call me crazy if I had a keen eye on a StiM modkill tonight?


Do you think I should base my play around that?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:34 GMT
#1374
I still have a play to make, but at this point it would be best if Stim showed up first.

Problem is, I am super tired already. By the time the vote comes around I will be making even less sense that usual.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:47 GMT
#1379
A couple of hours ago I posted this:

On June 29 2013 01:33 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Who do you think Alakaslam's teammates are if he is scum?
Who do you think Onegu's teammates are if he is scum?

Look at the bandwagons because scum will likely pick the same wagon.

This question is directed to all town, but I would like hzflank to answer specifically.


I will do Onegu first as it is much easier.

If Onegu is scum then: Aquanim is 99% scum. If Onegu flips red then it will take a small miracle to make me move my day 4 vote off of Aqua. Spicy and Lonemeow would be the other possibilities. I am not sure about StimAddict as there is little to go off of, but if Aqua also flips red then Stim is 100% confirmed Town.

If Alakaslam is scum then it is more difficult:

I don't want to answer this right now. I need to get a coffee and mull over it.


I was not lying at the time. I was very hasty and generally not thinking straight. Within minutes of posting it I realised that it was false. Regardless of the flip, I will not be gunning for Aqua.

If Onegu flips scum then Aqua looks scummy based on the voting pattern of both days. Onegu basically collapsed the wagon on Aqua, and then Aqua made the case that saved Onegu.

However, for the rest of the game Aqua looks town to me. The reasoning for his voting seems town on both days. He has also been useful. And for a 24 hour period he seemed to be thinking the same things that I was.

Therefore, if Alakaslam flips town I will be looking at Aqua, but I wont assume him scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 19:51 GMT
#1381
On June 29 2013 04:49 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Public Service Announcement:

Reminder to all Town: a mislynch is not the end of the world here. It's important that we to follow through on this plan and not fall into despair or go rage afk. A mislynch is a real possibility, but if 'Slam does flip town, we have a lot of clear evidence (and the names of two mafia members) to actually help us make up ground. Lynching those two will get us to the endgame with a nice 2-on-1 shot of winning this thing.


Did you write this before or after my above post?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 20:02 GMT
#1384
Let's not assume that Alakaslam will flip green.

At the end of the day, Aqua (and to a lesser extent Spicy) have made respectable cases on Alakaslam. The case on Onegu feels better, but when you actually think about it it boils down to pre-flip associations + strange timing on the claim.
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