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On June 28 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alakaslam claims Onegu visited Hurricane.
Onegu claims his "strongest town read" visited Alakaslam.
These actions are incompatible. Onegu claims he visited Alakaslam and Alakaslam claims Onegu visited Hurricane.
We can deduce that Alakaslam and Onegu are NOT of the same alignment.
The obvious thing for me then is ##Vote: Onegu. First scum lynch! Guaranteed!
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If anyone is wondering, why I watched Onegu is within. + Show Spoiler +He so threw off my game that I needed to know more about him. Was he my teacher and critic or my puppet master? Teacher and mentor has been (well duh, Hapahauli and ObviousOne, but I am too stupid for it to work) but Hurricane. Found what I thought would be nothin now I am the key to catching Onegu. Who would have thought I could finally be useful to town.
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On June 28 2013 15:11 hzflank wrote:
It also means that there is no chance of a mislynch on Onegu. The outcomes are:
Lynch scum Onegu.
Lynch scum Alakaslam.
Lynch scum Alakaslam while revealing a blue role.
Excuse me but what happens with (Hypothetical, I KNoW now) lynch town Onegu?
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But Onegu is 100% scum confirmed. I felt so useless watching him when he visited hurricane and apparently did nothing but now he slipped and it paid off. My game has been 100% luck. Because man I suck.
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On June 28 2013 15:13 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:11 Alakaslam wrote:If anyone is wondering, why I watched Onegu is within. + Show Spoiler +He so threw off my game that I needed to know more about him. Was he my teacher and critic or my puppet master? Teacher and mentor has been (well duh, Hapahauli and ObviousOne, but I am too stupid for it to work) but Hurricane. Found what I thought would be nothin now I am the key to catching Onegu. Who would have thought I could finally be useful to town. Be careful with your words. You claimed to Track Onegu, not to Watch him.
Thank you. What is the difference? But yeah as my role is Tracker, I tracked him.
There will be no blue to vouch for him. He is lying.
His scum play is incredible compared to us, he has led the game like a true puppet master and destroyed me singlehandedly.
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On June 28 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:13 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 15:09 hzflank wrote:
Firm, slow down and lets think it through. My first point:
If Onegu is town then his strongest town read can vouch for him. However, that means we reveal a blue role. The problem with this logic is that you are assuming his strongest town read is town. What if his strongest town read is mafia? In fact, wouldn't it be more likely that his strongest town read was mafia if he himself was mafia? His thought process would be, "I'll claim watcher and my mafia scumbuddy can vouch for me so I don't get lynched today." It all comes down to who you believe. I trust Alakaslam a lot more than I do Onegu. You are welcome to decide for yourself, but I don't think I can be convinced to change my vote at this point. If his strongest read is scum and we mislynch Alakaslam, then we have 2 100% confirmed scum reads.
NO dude, he is LYING- if I flip town his statements mean nothing! Are YOU scum??
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On June 28 2013 15:18 Onegu wrote:
I agree read shouldnt reveal as we dont want them to know all of our blue roles.
##VOTE:ALAKASLAM
Don't worry you know he won't (rolls eyes). He doesn't exist if it is possible for town to win with a myslynch on me my goodbye post will be  and pictures of my good friend Norman and Bamcis music link from YouTube because you will be guaranteed next lynch. I have sealed your fate!
On an aside, Onegu- nothing personal. I read your blog, my mother has issues with you know what as well. Best of wishes to you my good man, and people, the lurking claims- seriously? He has posted every day and I see very little pressure on freaking stimaddict.
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On June 28 2013 15:20 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:On June 28 2013 15:13 hzflank wrote:On June 28 2013 15:11 Alakaslam wrote:If anyone is wondering, why I watched Onegu is within. + Show Spoiler +He so threw off my game that I needed to know more about him. Was he my teacher and critic or my puppet master? Teacher and mentor has been (well duh, Hapahauli and ObviousOne, but I am too stupid for it to work) but Hurricane. Found what I thought would be nothin now I am the key to catching Onegu. Who would have thought I could finally be useful to town. Be careful with your words. You claimed to Track Onegu, not to Watch him. Thank you. What is the difference? But yeah as my role is Tracker, I tracked him. There will be no blue to vouch for him. He is lying. His scum play is incredible compared to us, he has led the game like a true puppet master and destroyed me singlehandedly. i am not lieing there is a blue role who can vouch for me. He shouldnt and I will not reveal him even if there is a mislynch on me if you mislynch me and the blue reveals scum will night kill him and we most likely willnot have anymore blues.
Dude you are already a master. But if you win this, enjoy your last night, because it will be your last.
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Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum.
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On June 28 2013 15:27 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:22 hzflank wrote:On June 28 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:On June 28 2013 15:13 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 15:09 hzflank wrote:
Firm, slow down and lets think it through. My first point:
If Onegu is town then his strongest town read can vouch for him. However, that means we reveal a blue role. The problem with this logic is that you are assuming his strongest town read is town. What if his strongest town read is mafia? In fact, wouldn't it be more likely that his strongest town read was mafia if he himself was mafia? His thought process would be, "I'll claim watcher and my mafia scumbuddy can vouch for me so I don't get lynched today." It all comes down to who you believe. I trust Alakaslam a lot more than I do Onegu. You are welcome to decide for yourself, but I don't think I can be convinced to change my vote at this point. If his strongest read is scum and we mislynch Alakaslam, then we have 2 100% confirmed scum reads. Are you suggesting we risk a mislynch to confirm 2 mafia? I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious. Not risk. If someone claims to have visited Alakaslam last night then either the claimer + Onegu are scum or Alaka is scum. It would be stupid for a scum to make this claim. That would mean we mislych today but then get back to back scum lynches, leaving the town in a very very strong position. It is worth sacrificing 1 town to get 2 scum, if it comes to it. Yeah, but we don't have to sacrifice the townie at all. Lynching Onegu gives us more information than lynching Alakaslam.If Onegu flips town, we lynch Alakaslam. If Onegu flips scum, we lynch his "best town read"If Alakaslam flips town, we lynch Onegu. If Alakaslam flips scum, we are back to square 1.
Did he actually say who that was?
No, because 1. It would give away his lie or 2. He would be revealing a blue role.
So snip what I bolded, because it's not true. Don't care if it helps my case, I want my case to win obviously but we need truth and clarity.
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On June 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum. Hzflank has not said anything that implicates him as scum. Please do not antagonize him further because it will only hurt your case on Onegu.
Yes he has, but I will stop because you are also right.
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On June 28 2013 15:31 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum. I have not yet decided. There is a lot of new information to digest.
Ok. You could very well be town I think. So what I just put is irrelevant. You could still be scum but until that one thing my gut sai town for you.
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On June 28 2013 15:34 hzflank wrote:
Let me put this simply:
If (IF IF IF, dont ignore this IF) Onegu is set to be lyched, then someone may or may not claim that they visited Alakaslam last night.
If someone does not make that claim then we lynch Onegu.
If someone does make that claim then we lynch Alakaslam.
If the claimer was telling the truth then Alakaslam flips red.
If the claimer was lying then it is 100% confirmed that both the claimer and Onegu are scum, so we lynch then on days 3 and 4. That would probably leave us at 3 town and 1 scum remaining.
You are town. This is awesome, you have done what I was trying to think of how to do. Epic, I don't mind if I get lynched now but PLEASE folks don't be OMGiS like me.
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On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote:
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum.
What is that please?
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On June 28 2013 15:39 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote:
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum. What is that please? Lylo = Lynch correct or lose the game.
That is not what I asked you what would lea to Lylo? I need to know how badly I need to defend my case
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On June 28 2013 15:43 FirmTofu wrote:
@hzflank
Your argument seems to be that a blue claim may come out to save Onegu from a lynch today.
I respectfully disagree. Based on current information, a scumbuddy of Onegu's would never come out and guarantee his own demise the following 2 days(along with Onegu's). It is completely irrational.
Scum should cut their losses at Onegu and force us to scumhunt to find the last few of them.
This is a newbie game why didnt you allow this to happen? I would have giggled with glee.
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Town, this is really important.
Listen to tofu and hz. Onegu lynch will (somehow, you still haven't answered how we know who his strongest town read is so that we lynch him when Onegu flips red) lead to info anyway, and stun and meow have lurked so much that surviving a Lylo looks too hard for me to be willing to see town risk it. Man I wish I could put some strength behind my word! Look, if I explained (again- rolleyes) how I broke down into a small little fluffy man, would that help anyone?
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On June 28 2013 15:50 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu
You have said you don't want to reveal who you saw visiting Alakaslam because you don't want to out a town power role, and you believe that the person you saw is town.
The possible town power roles in this game are:
Veteran - doesn't visit anybody
Vigilante - Alakaslam is not dead so it can't be this
Parity Cop - is already dead, there won't be more than one
Jailkeeper - If somebody in fact JK'd Alakaslam they should claim and he will be confirmed scum
Tracker - If there was another tracker in the game they would counterclaim Onegu
Watcher - there won't be more than one
Therefore, there are NO town power roles which you can expose by claiming who you saw visit Alakaslam. The only possibilities are Nosy Neighbour or a scum power role.
I see no possible downside to you claiming who you saw visit Alakaslam. I would like for you to do this.
I would kiss your feet for this aqua if not for the mod note that said there can be as many of anything.
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On June 28 2013 15:53 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 15:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Town, this is really important.
Listen to tofu and hz. Onegu lynch will (somehow, you still haven't answered how we know who his strongest town read is so that we lynch him when Onegu flips red) lead to info anyway, and stun and meow have lurked so much that surviving a Lylo looks too hard for me to be willing to see town risk it. Man I wish I could put some strength behind my word! Look, if I explained (again- rolleyes) how I broke down into a small little fluffy man, would that help anyone? I believe his "strongest town read" is SpicyDinosaur due to the process of elimination I mentioned before. I will quote it for you if you would like.
That's alright I believe you we need focus
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