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On June 27 2013 04:48 FirmTofu wrote: I think the distinguishing factor is intent. What intention would a scum Tofu have to save Aquanim? The only possible scenario I see is if Aqua and I are both scum and I was desperately trying to get the vote off him by lying. If you adhere to that belief, you have a case against me. But otherwise, I don't think you can hold it against me. In the context of my lie, aqua and I being different alignments is incompatible. If you were scum and Aqua were town then there are other reasons as to why you pushed for hard for the Xz lynch. At first glance, the Xz lynch did not make you look scummy. Also, Aqua stated early that he thought Onegu scummy and repeated it many times. After the vote was secure but before the flip, there was already talk in the thread of Onegu being scum. If the scum thought that they already had the start of a day 2 case against Onegu then they would want Aqua alive to help their case. It a weak reason and alone means nothing in terms of Tofu being scum, but I don't think it should be totally ignored. I will grab the quotes about this tomorrow and try to ogranise the info, for my sake as well as yours. | ||
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On June 27 2013 11:05 FirmTofu wrote: With no sk, doesn't mafia get +1? I'm not sure how balancing works on these forums. likely 9+3. If there is SK then likely 8+2+1. | ||
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On June 27 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote: Aqua, Chromatically and I have made the case for Onegu's lynch extremely clear. Please read our respective filters for more information. I wouldn't expect Hurricane to be the one to justify the wagon to you. You can just see that confirmed town flip Parity Cop Chromatically wanted him dead. Chrom did not seem to think Onegu was scum. He actually thought Spicy and Lone were the most likely scum. | ||
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Sorry my bad, that was Aqua who thought that Lone and Spicy were scummier than Onegu. | ||
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 The caffeine should kick in at some point. | ||
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I will add some content not related to blue roles in half an hour or so. | ||
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I wanted to build a case against Firm. I did not like the way we were all making fluffy cases so I tried to make my case differently. I communicated a bit with a coach and they basically told me that my methods were not good. So instead of making my case against Firm I re-evaluated how I was playing the game. I then voted for StimAddict. There were several reasons for this vote. Firstly, I did not want Onegu to feel comfortable. The way I was posting made it look as though I would defend Onegu when Firm inevitably made long case against him, and I wanted Onegu to question that and feel some pressure. Second, I want StimAddict to feel some pressure too, and Aqua already had is vote there so it made sense for me to add mine. Lastly, I thought that if Stim does happen to be scum and a third town happens to drop a vote there then his scum buddies would have to start defending him. Then Firm posts his case against Onegu. I read it twice and did some filter diving. I decided that if I were to put the time in I could make a strong defense against Firm's case. I have not written this yet but should probably do so shortly. I could not of posted it anyway because regardless of anyone alignment I believed it was best for the town if Onegu felt some pressure. | ||
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Firm, it's a bad case. You are convinced of his guilt so you are using anything you can to prove it. That's your style and that's fine, but you are not getting my vote for those reasons. Point 1: Fluffy reason. You are also looking for reasons to vote against Onegu that in hindsight you probably wont agree with. See my opening to this post. Point 2: Onegu's vote switch off of Aqua only makes Onegu look scum if Aqua is also scum. If Onegu knew Aqua and Xzavier he could just of left his vote on Aqua as it did not matter which of the two was lynched. In fact, Aqua was playing a better town game than Xzavier so lynching Aqua would have been better for the scum. If Aqua were scum then Onegu switch his vote at a time that ensured Xzavier would be lynched instead of Aqua, but I would have to be a fool to cast a vote today based on that Association. This is especially true because Aqua and I seem to have been thinking on similar lines for most of day 2, and one point I felt like we were almost masonned. Also, on page 22 you played a part in convincing Onegu to move his vote off of Aqua. You were pushing hard to get people to vote in the way you thought it best, just as you are today. That's not a bad thing as I think good town play requires conviction, but it also does not mean that your vote is in the right place. Point 3: I stopped Onegu's day 2 attacked on Aqua. It was really bad play by me. After re-evaluating my play I realise this but it's too late to change that now. I put Onegu in a position where he felt that he might need to vote against your inevitable case, and I was fairly clear that I would not be voting Aqua to be lynched today. I apologise, but your point 3 would be better in a case against me than it is in a case against Onegu. Point 4: Fluffy reason. The cases we were making against Aqua were weak and full of fluffy reasons. Once Onegu has moved his vote off of Aqua then his wagon was doomed to fail, and Onegu moving it back at that point would not of helped. I cannot read his mind to tell you exactly why he felt apathetic, but that feeling alone is not a strong scum tell. Point 5: My fault. During the night I made it look like I thought either you or Chromatically were scummy. You made it look like you were starting an early wagon on Onegu. It also looked like you had secured votes from Hurricane and Alakaslam, and there was even a reasonable chance of getting Aqua on board. Onegu needed my vote to save himself, so his best option was to attack you. Again, it was horribly bad town play by me and I am sorry for that, but this is not a scum tell on Onegu. Overall, I think Onegu seems scummier to you than the other players are you wanted to vote for him. You put a lot of effort into your case and found what you thought were the scummiest things possible about Onegu. Unfortunately, I don't think there was enough there to make a really strong scum case. After I finished reading your case I was not convinced that Onegu was town, and at the time of this post I am still not 100% convinced that Onegu is town. However, I was leaning town and I am now leaning even more town. | ||
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Consider your best town read as 100% town in order to stop the circular logic. Then play from that position. | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:58 Alakaslam wrote: I have no idea if I was visited but Onegu visited Hurricane. You are claiming tracker? | ||
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