EPTTown, I am at your service. Headed to work, what can I do? Catch me In the act, find the red hands in my play and prove them!
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Alakaslam
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Town, I am at your service. Headed to work, what can I do? Catch me In the act, find the red hands in my play and prove them! [heavy sigh] | ||
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On June 27 2013 10:18 Aquanim wrote: I was going to do this anyway, but I decided I just had to quote these as titles. (Honestly I doubt I'm going to die tonight, but between unknowable scum motivations, overzealous vigilantes and inscrutable Serial Killers one can never quite be sure...) If I die tonight, town should increase their scum-read on "X" and "Y" because of "Reasons" Spicydinosaur. See the section on him below. In case I die tonight, for the record, I believe "Z" and "B" to be very town. Chromatically and, to a lesser extent, Hurricane Sponge. Hurricane has picked up his play a lot since the lynch (which is a little odd) but both of them and I are too much on the same wavelength. In case I die tonight, give "L" some space to play: LoneMeow. I've liked what I've seen of his play so far, but there just hasn't been enough of it. Apparently he's been on vacation, but the fact that he hasn't felt the need to say it ingame, let alone use it as an excuse, is a good sign. @LoneMeow: You mostly weren't here day 1 and you've got some catching up to do in terms of proving your credentials as a townie. I appreciate there are some people <glares at StiMaDDict> who've done even less than you, but don't use that as an excuse. If I live through tonight, I look forward to speaking with you. If I die tonight have a good long think about your scumread on "V": Onegu. See the section on him below. If I die tonight, "κ" and "∅" are still basically policy lynches in my view: Alakaslam and StiMaDDict. Alakaslam's incessant martyring is really making me grind my teeth, but... fundamentally it's just another of those things I wish was scummy. He is posting some arguments and thinking about the thread a little, but is the analysis he's provided something scum could cook up? I still have no idea. StiMaDDict continues to do sweet fanny adams. We may just have to lynch him, or threaten to enough that he bloody well talks to us. If I die tonight I never got around to thoroughly reading " " and " ": FirmTofu and hzflank. I'm feeling townish on both of these two but if I'm wrong on my townreads I think it's probably these ones. On Spicydinosaur + Show Spoiler + The point was made early in the thread that Spicy was playing defensively. I would rather term his play as "reactive". Spicy's reply to this was as follows: On June 24 2013 12:39 Spicydinosaur wrote: I do this in all my games, check out Les Mafiafor a good example. Though i don't see how that is alignment indicative as no one wants to get lynched. I thought maybe I should actually go and read Les Mafia. Oh boy..... In Les Mafia, Spicydinosaur was a Parity Cop. I would characterise his play in the following way:
I strongly suggest that everybody read Les Mafia and get your own feeling for Spicy's play in that game. (Before anyone yells out that meta isn't a valid tool for analysis, Spicy provided this HIMSELF to justify his actions. Obviously, he thinks that it is a valid tool to analyse his play.) His argument with FirmTofu (you know the one) isn't particularly alignment-indicative to me. He is flinging a lot of shit at FirmTofu, but I can't say that he wouldn't do this as town too. This section of his filter could bear further analysis I feel. Spicy's reads so far (shortly summarised) are as follows:
I may have missed some reads but I don't think any of them were significant. In short, none of these reads make me think "town" and they all seem pretty convenient from a scummy perspective. Do I think Spicy's scum for not arguing harder for a switch away from Xzavier onto Hurricane? Not really, the thread sentiment was pretty strong against Xzavier at that point and it would take an awfully strong townie to face up to that. But it certainly isn't a towny indication, either. tl;dr I haven't found much of anything in Spicy's filter which makes me strongly think town, and unlike Onegu I'd expect there to be something if he was town. My gut says scum, but I want to look for more before drawing final conclusions. On Onegu + Show Spoiler + As far as I can tell the case on Onegu boils down to a few main points: 1) His 'apathy' to the day one wagons - generally indicative of scum not wanting to take responsibility. 2) The less-than-persuasive nature of his cases Is this a plausible interpretation of Onegu's actions if he's scum? I think it is. However, it is not the only possible interpretation. 1) Onegu did, and always has had, a scumread on me. I suspect it's mostly a gut read, since the reasons he's raising are not very strong. He was at one point the primary force behind my wagon, I'd say; at least he was arguing his point. However, at a certain point he jumped off my vote and went to Alakaslam instead. If he's scum, he could have convincingly stayed on my wagon for a great deal longer than he did - hell, he could have rode that wagon all the way to a mislynch without looking terminally scummy. He wasn't under a great deal of pressure to move his vote at that point, except from me - I have difficulty seeing the direct scum motivation for this move. Question: After switching vote to Alakaslam, do you think Onegu *could* have switched his vote back to me without looking absolutely awful, whatever his actual alignment? As such, was he actually as apathetic to the lynch as the final place his vote ended up might indicate? Onegu had already taken a fair bit of responsibility for his read on me. Furthermore, do you think Onegu was capable of effectively arguing against the strong prevailing thread sentiment towards the end of the day? I don't. 2) Just because he's wrong, and hasn't made accurate cases, is no guarantee that Onegu is scum. The question you have to ask yourself is "Is Onegu honestly searching the thread and trying to find scum?". Again, for me, this is a definite maybe. I still want to see Onegu play some more to convince myself whether he is sincere in his accusations. Other people in this game are reading filters and making high-level, rational conclusions from their overal understanding of the game, and that's a town indication for me. Scum prefer to nitpick because it's harder for them to be caught out in a lie or inconsistency, and is inherently less work. They're not interested in That being said, just because someone isn't effectively hunting for scum doesn't mean they aren't trying to hunt for scum. I think the most important thing in trying to read Onegu is to assess whether he is honestly and sincerely trying to find scum. tl;dr I think there is a reasonable explanation for Onegu's actions from both a town and a scum perspective. I stopped martyring a while ago because there aren't enough town for town to benefit from an info lynch anymore! I don't seek a martyr now. On your Onegu argument: On June 26 2013 11:54 Alakaslam wrote: StimaDDict, you are attacking Aquanim from a position that is really strange. I'm so scummy it's crazy, yet you attack Aquanim? + Show Spoiler + unless I'm so scummy people feel I'm a dead man posting X_X Your filter is only a page long. I'll admit mine is mostly fluff, but it's still 3 pages. What have you done to aid town? A bandwagon and a retraction on that bandwagon, and this attack on Aquanim. Defense youselfs you, you! You are scumread of the nooob until you do. And while you're at it, make a REAL case that isn't based on the first 12 pages of the thread. That discussion about nn was so useless and nobody was stupid enough to claim so I'm going to find whoever started it, and see if they strike me as scummy in their filter. OH YEAH- you brought it up again. That is a little scummy too, hmm... Of course I'm more scummy than you so whatever, take it or leave it folks. Though the POWA of the FILTA has EMPOWAHD ME!!!! Still, watch for orange folks! + Show Spoiler + oh, uh, and maybe RED. Duh. . .  ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) Reason to watch for orange as well as red: On June 26 2013 09:40 Alakaslam wrote: Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you...  WATCH OUT FOR ORANGE. THAT IS RIGHT WHERE SCUM WANTS TO BE! Nonetheless, StimaDDict is still my scum read. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On June 27 2013 14:27 Onegu wrote: This doesnt make any sense... You will be makeing a post for Chrmatically? I'm going to quote chrom after this. Problem is I have to edit it to get it smaller and I need to have something useful to say about it. | ||
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On June 27 2013 10:01 Chromatically wrote: Sponge and Tofu are almost certain town. DO NOT LYNCH THEM. I highly doubt that anyone will be able to convince me that they're scum. They've been the most active this game, they are open with their reads, they push their reads, they're not trying to blend in, and their posts show a clear protown attitude. The Tofu lying thing bothers me a bit, but I'm willing to overlook it on account of a) the fact that his explanation holds together and b) the sheer amount of TOWN in his filter. I think that these reads should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks through their filters. The mindset that their posts come from is clearly town. Spicy, hz, Aqua, and Alaka (in rough order of decreasing town) are all unlikely scum. I'm almost certainly wrong on at least one of them, but I have no idea who. Spicy in particular might look wierd here, as I was on him for his voting, but his Xzav read looks genuine if you look at his filter. He has several reasons for not voting Xzav, and he sticks to those reasons in the face of aggression from the town. It would have been very possible for scum Spicy to avoid drawing attention here by simply giving in, but he sticks to his read. He even backs down from one of his points when I argue him on it, but still explains why he has the read. That's very town to me + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2013 00:38 Spicydinosaur wrote: Fair point the on WIFOM. For me it just comes down to the fact that i dont see this as a scum xzavier given his last game play and self reflection afterwards with his bad reads. I just don't buy a scum xzavier not having some type of read or questions about cases out by the time of the vote. The rest of his filter is townie, as I've said before. He has active conversations with the thread, his reads change in genuine ways, and he doesn't really look to be blending in. In particular, the shitfight with Tofu isn't something that scum would want to get into. It puts the spotlight on Spicy, but he kept up with his logic the whole time and didn't resort to emotional attacks or backing down and sulking away. hz has been making some wierd and nonsensical arguments, but he's active in the thread and feels genuine and townie (in addition to what I've said in the past). Alaka has been posting a lot of nonsense. This gives me town feels because he is not being careful AT ALL. He's done the opposite of blending in, he's drawn so much attention to himself that I can't believe a scum would willingly do. He's been asking for people to vote him off, which is pretty risky to do as scum because it's so frowned upon. All of this makes me really think that he is just town that has an extremely odd way of playing the game. The reason that he's so low on this list is that it's possible that he's actually SCUM with a really wierd way of playing the game. Stim and Meow (in order of decreasing town) are likely scum. I was thinking that Meow was town day 1, but a reread of him makes this less likely for a few reasons. First, he's pretty much the definition of "blending in". He posts the bare minimum so that he's not noticed, and it's been working very well. Compared to Stim, Meow has been virtually unnoticed (partially my fault, I know). His reads completely echo town sentiment. What I saw as "looking for scum" earlier really is just him asking some random questions in one post and never following up on them. He's also been completely absent post-lynch and for this whole night phase. I'll continue on this in a separate post. Onegu is probably scum. I (and Tofu) have already said why. This post jumped in importance by leaps and bounds after that flip. I do have a weird way of playing the game: losing it + Show Spoiler + both the game and my head Notice "I was able to refrain from posting for a while though. That is an improvement in calming down." (read spoiler) + Show Spoiler + No it's not, I had work all day. But what I DID learn from that is that we aren't as vicious against lurkers as I thought, I can collect my thoughts before posting and thereby be better town. Should have done this a long time ago. Read that spoiler unless you're skimming. It is important. My read on this? I have suspicions toward Onegu, especially as Chrom's strongest scum read, but there are things about him I stated in my defense of him to FirmTofu as well as one other thing I won't waste the time and energy elaborating on. It would just be fluff. And also: FirmTofu fulfilled my requirement to get me to vote Onegu. I could do it now. But my actual original self made scumread that I'm not very proud of but that I'll stand by is StimaDDict. As the other policy lynch I would say vote him, but we don't have the manpower for policy lynches anymore! SO- Let's go, make cases, PROVE OUR TOWNIE INNOCENCE (I think we have neglected that some of us ) and MOST importantly SCUMHUNT WITH PRECISION! I'll work on StimaDDict, I figure I have made a case I had better make it stronger. | ||
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StimaDDict. Have you given up or what? Has anything changed about your opinion on Aquanim? | ||
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Alakaslam
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For refrence, 15 is 23 my time. So if you look at my filter you'll see I have had a crazy sleep schedule, which may have contributed to my uselessness and edginess. | ||
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On June 28 2013 06:32 Onegu wrote: I want to post something before I sleep. I am the Pink Ranger and I watched Alakaslam last night and he was visited by my biggest town read last night. I wont say who that is because I dont want them to be a target. This is so appropos I am green!! XD why do you think I was suspicious of you? We are both town you just confirmed Ty so much Onegu, see 1)had work all day today 2)was thinking you visited hurricane to role lock possibly or something DO NOT VOTE ONEGU HE IS TOWN! will catch up bear with me!! | ||
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On June 28 2013 08:44 FirmTofu wrote: He is claiming that either Spicy or hzflank is a blue town role that visited Alakaslam last right. He refuses to say which of the two, but it is very easy to narrow down for any observer. What purpose did it serve to keep town in the dark? Either hzflank or Spicy needs to confirm what Onegu is saying about them, otherwise an Onegu lynch remains inevitable. Even if hzflank or Spicy confirm, we have to consider that they may be in a mafia team together. We will need to gather evidence for and against this and analyze it with the information we have at our disposal. It could also be the case that Onegu is a mafia tracker who tracked a town hzflank or Spicy to Alakaslam's house. We would also have to find evidence to refute this possibility. Wait who visited me? No wait I need to tea his claim again HE watched Hurricane- he visited hurricane, may as well spill the beans now that I am a class A idiot. | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:46 Aquanim wrote: Onegu should claim NOTHING more until Alakaslam tells us whether he was roleblocked or not. I was not i am reading too fast I am going to be really hard to for me to think right now adrenalin rug | ||
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On June 28 2013 10:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I seem to be the only one defending Alakaslam. At this point, I'm willing to consider that my read is wrong. Reading through his filter, I just seem to get the over-eager vibe from a guy who's really new to (and maybe not suited for) this game. I'm not in the business of defending people when they should be defending themselves, but I honestly don't think he has the ability to capably defend himself. His first reaction when pressured was to throw in the towel and martyr'd hard: Alakaslam, can you clear up this post for me? The bolded phrase in particular. Pah I was certain I would be lynched. People would see my role and I wa going to put a bunch of pics of Anthony Perkins in the original Psycho because he is the ultimate freaky stalker type and I look like him irl. Mods know this perhaps too well. Taking this game about 10% seriously at that point | ||
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On June 28 2013 09:17 FirmTofu wrote: @Hurricane Are you not even willing to consider that Onegu may have lied about his claim? Are we just going to throw away all of the scum reads that we have built up over the course of the thread because of one claim that hasn't even been verified? I still don't see how this claim exonerates Onegu from a lynch when any scum could have easily pulled it off. Oh SHIIIIT! Argh OMGIS x infinity Hurricane I am not very fit to play this game especially commuting between CA and AZ every other day and playing late at night gonna /out aperture 2, I am noooooot ready. Gimme sec brb | ||
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On June 28 2013 10:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I have issued some questions to Alakaslam. Hopefully he responds to them, and has something to say about the Onegu claim. This is a very important moment in the game for your, Alakaslam. Please try to organize your thoughts and respond to each point with a clear, simple answer. We do not need commentary at this time. Just facts. ... Word, wish I saw this first. | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:34 Alakaslam wrote: This is so appropos[b] I am green ranger[b] the tracker on town side! XD why do you think I was suspicious of you? We are both town you just confirmed Ty so much Onegu, see 1)had work all day today 2)was thinking you visited hurricane to role lock possibly or something DO NOT VOTE ONEGU HE IS TOWN! will catch up bear with me!! ^^ edited quote for clarity | ||
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On June 28 2013 14:56 Onegu wrote: Quick thing before I walk out the door, I watched you Alakaslam, someone who I have a town read on visited you. I was hopeing to either confirm my suspicions on you or see if you are town by who visited you, I was unable to do so as the person who visited you doesnt confirm anything, except it makes me wonder why he visited you and the only thing I can think of is he thinks you are scum also. This makes me lean scum on you. It in no way clears you. How is this possible? You visited hurricane sponge too then- you can watch two people? Otherwise you are lying and the perfect bait play because you knew I watched you and had to do something because/. Coming I need to be clear first. I am green ranger. I watched Onegu. He visited Hurricane Sponge. That is all I know. | ||
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On June 28 2013 15:00 FirmTofu wrote: Okay. We have a claim of tracker from Alakaslam. Onegu and Alakaslam cannot be on the same team because their claims contradict one another. Fast how do you know this? If this is certain Onegu is actually 100% scum I know I am weakest to claim that but please, please that is why I kept saying "town prove my innocence I need cred it was because of my blue! I got paranoid early because as blue I saw a responsibility to survive! I got worse and worse at it so I martyred knowing that would at least let town know to be cautious with reads then I saw Onegu visit hurricane at 9 pm and went "yes! Onegu is scum and shot, hurricane is dead- then I see chrome flip and I go shit , I have no info agai And waffle and such | ||
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