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On June 26 2013 10:04 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum? Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:31 Chromatically wrote:I am far more comfortable with hz now. His theory is really quite ridiculous, and I had a hard time thinking that he actually believed in his case. This post is so, so town, though: On June 25 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
lol 10/10 conspiracy theory of the century
Now explain to me why this master scum plot is more likely than us both being town. It is a conspiracy theory, which we both know means that I have a lot riding on it as I stand to look like a fool if it all goes wrong. I started out by coming to the conclusion that you were either both town or both scum. Aqua's first post looked like a weak poke on a Chrom that he perceived to be town. It was like he had already decided that you were of the same alignment as he was, so I thought he either had a town read that he was trying to confirm, or he knew that you were scum. I already thought that the first part of Aqua's post was a bit scummy, so I hoped to see some interaction between you and him. Your first post in response contained this: On June 24 2013 20:43 Chromatically wrote:
If you wanted to know about someone, you could just asked me. I'm not just going to randomly post reads if I'm not going to push for their lynch, but I'll definitely tell you what I think of someone or who my scumreads are. Why wouldn't you ask me for my scumreads if you wanted them?
Probably because that's not actually what you want at all. Someone else asked me for scumreads, and I posted mine right below your post, but you haven't reacted to that at all. Does this point still stand even after I've posted my scumreads? Or did your opinion not change at all for some reason?
In the above quote you referred to your previous post here: On June 24 2013 13:29 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Chromatically, do you have any scumreads? Right now, I'm looking at Xzavier and hzflank. Both have posted a bit, but neither have been scumhunting. hz's recent post makes me feel a little better, but it did only come when I specifically asked him and I don't really agree with it. That doesn't necessarily make him scum though. There are also some other small things that bother me, but I'll elaborate on those later. Now, at this point what do you think Aqua's reply should be? Your scum read post did not really contain anything substantial and in fact I would say that I was in fact scum hunting (I had poked several people). I thought to myself: If Aqua takes his vote off of Chrom before asking Chrom for more info on his reads, then it is because Aqua does not need to know Chrom's reads.Aqua even says this himself in his next post: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
Those reads were pretty weak, I'd like to see more from you.
And then in that same post he says: On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:
tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post
So Aqua does not get what he wants from you, but for some reason feels better about you, which is why I do not think that you are both town. If you were both town then that exchange should not of ended so easily. On June 25 2013 04:27 Chromatically wrote:Your explanation's fair. It still doesn't excuse the large amount of fluff and general bad feel I get from your early posting (not that's really explainable). I assume that you're busy right now answering my other questions about your case, so in addition: On June 25 2013 04:17 hzflank wrote:On June 25 2013 04:06 FirmTofu wrote:On June 25 2013 03:41 Chromatically wrote:
What's really bizarre is how quickly Tofu agreed with this case. You'd better explain yourself too. I agreed with it in the sense that it was a plausible theory, not that it was particularly likely. For the record I have you both pegged as town and I think you are both wasting precious time accusing one another. His conspiracy idea arose mainly because you accused him of being scum. I see his post as a long-winded retaliation against your credibility to ensure that no one bandwagons him to oblivion. While I may obviously be incorrect, it was not retaliation. Before Chrom voted for me I had already decided that if Aqua moves his vote off of Chrom and then Chrom makes a case against me then they are working together. When did you decide this? Right when you saw Aqua's case on me? Right when Aqua said he felt better about you (above). I read that at the same time as I read your previous post. The exchange just did not go as I would expect it to between two town members. The logic is convoluted and wrong, but I have a hard time believing that scum hz made it all up. A scum hz would have to: 1) come up with this theory (even though they're not scumhunting) 2) explain his reasoning in a clear way that "makes sense" from a town perspective I can't see a way that scum hz develops this reasoning, so clearly from a town perspective, while actually being scum. His next post: On June 25 2013 05:37 hzflank wrote:
Aqua asked Tofu twice for his opinions on you. This means that if I assume that you and Aqua are scum, then Tofu must be town. There is no way that one scum would insist on an opinion of another scum from the third scum. Also, I would think that Aqua and Toku are not scumbuddies, since Tofu's opinion on you seemed important to Aqua.
My take on the reason for that was to establish that Tofu thinks you (Chrom) town. Since Tofu is one of the more active posters so far, if he thinks you town he would be easier to get on my wagon and may even make some good posts to convince others.
So as you suggested, my strong town read on Tofu is dependent on my scum read on you and Aqua. This is some of the most convoluted association logic I've ever heard (coming from me). Once again, I can't see scum coming up with this reasoning just in order to justify their read change. A scum hz could have just said that "it was the only way my theory worked" or something and been fine, but this logic is done from a town perspective, I think. ##UnvoteHowever, I encourage you to look through XXXIII if you have the time (my profile). I tunneled two townies all game long and lead a voteswitch off of the GF because I was convinced that they were scum together. Not so much based on their individual actions, but more on the preflip associations I thought that I saw. The lesson I learned was that preflip association cases are really, really, bad. Your case is 100% preflip associations, but they never work out. I would be very interested in hearing a case on Aqua based on his actions alone, if you really think that he's scum. If Aqua flips red, then that's a good time to go look for his associations to others. In short, no.
ok. Thanks. Then I like your Filter.
Reading filters is so liberating! I now see both sides, as I have read Xzavier's filter, and thought he was town, because all I saw was pro-Xzavier posts (duh). Now, having read Aquanim's case AGAINST him, I go back to what I thought before, except with this: Xzavier, sorry. Nothing you can do to get this off your back.
##Vote: Xzavier
I was a little suspicious of Onegu. So he's my next "Scum" read, but really my read is neutral toward him. He DID clean up my [expletive], after all.
Nice to be at home/work pc again.
Will keep reading filters, "so this is how you people make cases".... 
diz my play diz game yall duh hurdurr ^^
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On June 25 2013 15:27 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:11 Aquanim wrote:On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote:In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. On June 25 2013 00:46 Alakaslam wrote:
If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy.
Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? If Alakaslam isn't your scumread, who is? Do you still think I am scum after my replies to the cases against me? In either case, who are your other scumreads? You are, but I admit that this as much to do with process than anything else. Sorry for the hold up, I am trying to make a case against you starting as neutral as I can. I am also trying to ignore anything about NN in my case. I am finding it hard to do because being neutral is harder than it sounds, but I will get there. I am not going to name any other names until I am done with you one way or the other, as I have a habit of splitting attention. In my first read I did not find your replies to the cases against you to be good enough, but if that remains the case after my next reads I will explain why. Currently I think you are more scummy than anyone else, but with 10 people to choose from (Stim does not count), the most scummy is not as much as I would like. Okay, my next post will be a case, but it may take up to 30 minutes.
Hey hz. If you still are wondering what I was thinking about Onegu, he really cleaned up after some questionable (but well intentioned!!) posting (linking old games to "give town meta" {read: distract town, Onegu alerted me}, trying to make a bit of a scumread on Tofu and defend myself at the same time, while not checking what I was doing, general hypocrisy etc.)
As you can see, I've been reading your filter. I am wondering, Whence does the scumread on Aqua come from? Does it still stand?
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On June 26 2013 10:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.
In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested). ..what? Why are you thinking about what makes you look scummy? Why aren't you lynching based on who you actually think is scum?
UM, Maybe he is a blue role.  If so though, careful with that hz.
But yeah good point Chromatically, why would you post this at all hz? If I was scummy before for sheeping Onegu, what is this?
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EBWOP but I still think you're town.
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Final EBWOP so still explain though please.
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StimaDDict, you are attacking Aquanim from a position that is really strange. I'm so scummy it's crazy, yet you attack Aquanim? + Show Spoiler +unless I'm so scummy people feel I'm a dead man posting X_X
Your filter is only a page long. I'll admit mine is mostly fluff, but it's still 3 pages.
What have you done to aid town?
A bandwagon and a retraction on that bandwagon, and this attack on Aquanim.
Defense youselfs you, you! You are scumread of the nooob until you do. And while you're at it, make a REAL case that isn't based on the first 12 pages of the thread. That discussion about nn was so useless and nobody was stupid enough to claim so I'm going to find whoever started it, and see if they strike me as scummy in their filter. OH YEAH- you brought it up again. That is a little scummy too, hmm...
Of course I'm more scummy than you so whatever, take it or leave it folks. Though the POWA of the FILTA has EMPOWAHD ME!!!!
Still, watch for orange folks! + Show Spoiler + oh, uh, and maybe RED. Duh. . . 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg)
Reason to watch for orange as well as red:
By the way. As this diagram, though great, has been seen enough here, I'm done reposting it. Also because I'm recommending almost exactly the opposite of what it says.  to blazinghand
On June 26 2013 09:40 Alakaslam wrote:Let us see this diagram again. People will see this and have different takeaways. I had a noobish and asinine take on it, but what take will a savvy scum player have? Scum wants to survive. If you are ignored (as I am being temporarily, or was anyway) you don't get lynched now do you... 
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On June 26 2013 11:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Both of the confirmed townies (see: dead) have stated support for Xzavier and suspicion of Aqua. Spicy also briefly mentioned that he was "not convinced on the aqua vote either and ill post my thoughts on that later", and was the most visible supporter of Xzavier. However, either I can't find those thoughts, or he never got the follow-up out because it was the opener to his Case against yours truly.
@Spicy
Do you feel like elaborating on your thoughts about Aqua now, or are they no longer relevant / valid?
O.O Can I do nothing right.
Now I see how scummy ^^ looks (I mean my post.)
Feh! What am I worried about. My Lynch would give town a lot of confusion though. Not good.
I get a strong feeling Mafia are actually pretty active this game, kind of puppetmastering and doing a good job of it. They've got me so far XD
No case for the above? Well, it's because of my general feeling based on the whole thread.
A lot of people accusing with weak cases or, like me, just avoiding accusing because they're worried their case will be weak (which is in itself scummy in a way- that worry).
You know? Really, I'm just very new and very wishy washy. Feel free to ask me stuff, I'll see it on my spare time and I'll try to answer. A lot of stuff I've done I have done to try to be a sideline resource to town. I haven't the best of skill at reading people anywhere, but one thing I can do is tell the truth and navigate TL. So ask me, try to entrap me and make me guilty worse than I am. I need some Town confirmation if I'm going to be useful, and that is the only way I can think of to confirm myself town. Otherwise, please just lynch me. + Show Spoiler + "After all, you just lynched two townies with me. I'm CONFIRMED red, aren't I? So I'd be one less KP when gone"
Has anyone actually considered the motivation behind my filter?
I know why I look scummy, heck you guys convinced me (lol). So, I ask you. How do I fix that? What is at my disposal to help town? I thought towniness was any effort to aid town, not YOU MUST SCUMREAD THAT IS ONLY AID TO TOWN AND NO SHEEPING BRO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR VOTE AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT + Show Spoiler + what I just did with most of us. mind you, because trying to read scum less carefully...
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 I haven't followed this because I got nutzy after people said I was lurking. Like on page 11. "You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town." WELL AREN'T I A CLASS-A EXAMPLE OF THAT TRUTH. Rather, I have been disobeying "Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos."
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On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 09:27 Chromatically wrote:Your case on Sponge? I have Sponge (and you) as strong town. I didn't much like Sponge's early game policy stuff either, but his recent posting is really townie. Look at page 2-3 of his filter particularly. He's freely offering opinions, posting a lot, interacting with others in a very townie way. Your case only looks at his early posting, but look at his recent posting, because that's where the towniness is. When I said "my case on Xzav", I meant this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=25#495Has everyone read this?I'm getting the feeling that it was missed. I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy. And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.
Spicy, work with sponge please. This will lead to town victory. You two (and Onegu) are the most clearheaded in the thread so far, and you've both been right in the face of bandwagon.
Learning, learning....
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On June 26 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote:
Alakaslam, would you be willing to vote for Onegu on Day 2?
Yeah, maybe, check my late filter. Depends on cases against him. I just gave my vote to a mislynch right after reading town off his filter. Do not expect voting confidence from me yet!
Going to homework, I need it! :p.
Potato may = paranoia. Possibly acute. Along with this homework, I am going to read the town section of the thread I linked again.
If you make cases against me folks don't do it based on the "lurking" I'm about to do for obvious reasons. -_-
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On June 26 2013 12:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Voting is requested! I will bandwagon out of bitterness until I see a really good defense. Not so much against the bbcode error (that would be hypocritical) but against... Baseless lurker accusations at the start of day 1!
See how I roll? Am I going to make those accusations? Maybe (I'm kind of doing just that) but in this case, it's because he already has a vote, and I am thinking of helping a bandwagon.
I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet.
##Vote: FirmTofu
Out because work
@AlakaslamI also need you to tell me what is wrong with this post. (Class, don't help him.)
For starters direct disobedience to what I posted in the spoiler at the bottom of the post you quoted for my homework. Is also selfish, sarcastic, paranoid, a knee-jerk reaction, and contradictory to ideas I had raised earlier an have since. And I posted out of raw emotion.
More coming on homework, going to avoid spamming!
Btw. Yes, I know. You are a prophet sir.
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On June 26 2013 13:18 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 13:08 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 12:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 25 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Voting is requested! I will bandwagon out of bitterness until I see a really good defense. Not so much against the bbcode error (that would be hypocritical) but against... Baseless lurker accusations at the start of day 1!
See how I roll? Am I going to make those accusations? Maybe (I'm kind of doing just that) but in this case, it's because he already has a vote, and I am thinking of helping a bandwagon.
I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet.
##Vote: FirmTofu
Out because work
@AlakaslamI also need you to tell me what is wrong with this post. (Class, don't help him.) For starters direct disobedience to what I posted in the spoiler at the bottom of the post you quoted for my homework. Is also selfish, sarcastic, paranoid, a knee-jerk reaction, and contradictory to ideas I had raised earlier an have since. And I posted out of raw emotion. More coming on homework, going to avoid spamming! Btw. Yes, I know. You are a prophet sir. If that's all you found wrong with that quote, we have a problem. I need you to read it extremely carefully. There is a very specific answer I'm looking for, and it will be very obvious when you find it.
Nonchalance toward lynching someone on no case?
Man, I am at a loss but don't tell me.
Reading Onegu's filter just gave me the chills.
Kind of should but I'm not going to defend because homework, and trying to understand the above.
I will say Onegu has been antagonizing me since early on and so if he flips red a lot of my confusion will lift. I took him for correcting errors, thanked him and apologized immediately following this, and he is then attacking the errors.
I took it as town play because he was fixing errors but how manipulative a scum you can find must be beyond me.
Main thin I'm learning so far is do not disregard the general guide thread. Or read it and forget.
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On June 26 2013 13:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet.
##Vote: FirmTofu
Hint time. Reading comprehension is a huge part of this game. We need to be very careful about correcting significant typos like this.
Oh shit. Rofl
Scum wants to lynch town, and I said I want tofu to be town ish (which he did) but I ACTUALLY cast my vote on him!
+ Show Spoiler +
Dude I will read my filter, 10-1 this was when I had failed at work after a 22 hour day.
I can't even explain this.
Uhh......
Yeah.
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On June 26 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 13:33 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 13:18 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 26 2013 13:08 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 12:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 25 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Voting is requested! I will bandwagon out of bitterness until I see a really good defense. Not so much against the bbcode error (that would be hypocritical) but against... Baseless lurker accusations at the start of day 1!
See how I roll? Am I going to make those accusations? Maybe (I'm kind of doing just that) but in this case, it's because he already has a vote, and I am thinking of helping a bandwagon.
I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet.
##Vote: FirmTofu
Out because work
@AlakaslamI also need you to tell me what is wrong with this post. (Class, don't help him.) For starters direct disobedience to what I posted in the spoiler at the bottom of the post you quoted for my homework. Is also selfish, sarcastic, paranoid, a knee-jerk reaction, and contradictory to ideas I had raised earlier an have since. And I posted out of raw emotion. More coming on homework, going to avoid spamming! Btw. Yes, I know. You are a prophet sir. If that's all you found wrong with that quote, we have a problem. I need you to read it extremely carefully. There is a very specific answer I'm looking for, and it will be very obvious when you find it. Nonchalance toward lynching someone on no case? Man, I am at a loss but don't tell me. Reading Onegu's filter just gave me the chills. Kind of should but I'm not going to defend because homework, and trying to understand the above. I will say Onegu has been antagonizing me since early on and so if he flips red a lot of my confusion will lift. I took him for correcting errors, thanked him and apologized immediately following this, and he is then attacking the errors. I took it as town play because he was fixing errors but how manipulative a scum you can find must be beyond me. Main thin I'm learning so far is do not disregard the general guide thread. Or read it and forget. I was trying to help you at first but then the things I helped you with you didnt incorparate it into your play makeing feel scum from you.
I know. That is why I sheeped after you. I saw my error after error, figured you were (comparatively) a vet and that a mafia would not have been correcting me and you were the only one who was. Then by that time I was drawing suspicion. When the attacks made so much sense that I was my own scum read the paradox blew my mind- So I gave up, and decided to make myself useful the only way I knew how while under duress ( all memory of coaching, skimming the guide, grade school, etc gone)
Couldn't sheep your vote against me though :p
And the paranoia spiral went nuts with a vicious cycle of becoming my own stronger and stronger scum read and I went 100% cuckoo and our coaches/obs facepalmed repeatedly.
Must work on homework! Will still check this now and then.
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On June 26 2013 12:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 12:15 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 11:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Both of the confirmed townies (see: dead) have stated support for Xzavier and suspicion of Aqua. Spicy also briefly mentioned that he was "not convinced on the aqua vote either and ill post my thoughts on that later", and was the most visible supporter of Xzavier. However, either I can't find those thoughts, or he never got the follow-up out because it was the opener to his Case against yours truly.
@Spicy
Do you feel like elaborating on your thoughts about Aqua now, or are they no longer relevant / valid? O.O Can I do nothing right. Now I see how scummy ^^ looks (I mean my post.) Feh! What am I worried about. My Lynch would give town a lot of confusion though. Not good. I get a strong feeling Mafia are actually pretty active this game, kind of puppetmastering and doing a good job of it. They've got me so far XD No case for the above? Well, it's because of my general feeling based on the whole thread. A lot of people accusing with weak cases or, like me, just avoiding accusing because they're worried their case will be weak (which is in itself scummy in a way- that worry). You know? Really, I'm just very new and very wishy washy. Feel free to ask me stuff, I'll see it on my spare time and I'll try to answer. A lot of stuff I've done I have done to try to be a sideline resource to town. I haven't the best of skill at reading people anywhere, but one thing I can do is tell the truth and navigate TL. So ask me, try to entrap me and make me guilty worse than I am. I need some Town confirmation if I'm going to be useful, and that is the only way I can think of to confirm myself town. Otherwise, please just lynch me. + Show Spoiler + "After all, you just lynched two townies with me. I'm CONFIRMED red, aren't I? So I'd be one less KP when gone" If everyone thinks I'm scum, I'm just dead-weight because nobody believes me. So even scumreads from me become spam, and useless fluff. Has anyone actually considered the motivation behind my filter? I know why I look scummy, heck you guys convinced me (lol). So, I ask you. How do I fix that? What is at my disposal to help town? I thought towniness was any effort to aid town, not YOU MUST SCUMREAD THAT IS ONLY AID TO TOWN AND NO SHEEPING BRO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR VOTE AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT + Show Spoiler + what I just did with most of us. mind you, because trying to read scum less carefully... . If that is actually true, then expect me to suck in the future. I will be a quick lynch. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 I haven't followed this because I got nutzy after people said I was lurking. Like on page 11. "You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town." WELL AREN'T I A CLASS-A EXAMPLE OF THAT TRUTH. Rather, I have been disobeying "Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos." Not sure why you quoted me, but I just went through your whole filter. On a scale of Scum-to-Townie, I'd put you as a solid 'Potato'. I tried following your train of thought, and it damn near gave me a headache. If you can post thoughts in a much more concise manner from here on out, I'd consider it a personal favor. You seem to be asking for homework, so I will give you some: You associated yourself early with Onegu, even declaring that you would donate your vote to him to use as he pleased. What are your thoughts on him at this moment in light of his attitude toward how the the Day 1 lynch was shaping up late in the day? (Go read his filter. You do not have to respond in the next 10 seconds.)
Waitaminute I just sort I did this in reply to him.
Pah! Make your cases for a minute I swear I don't know if Onegu is scum or not, FirmTofu (who I DO think is town, he granted my wish) says Onegu scum slipped but I think it relies on me being scum and I know better. But iPhone, that is why i didn't see the error in my own post.
Tofu what page did you elaborate on?
Medic, I really hope you exist. You should know who to protect right now. If you think I'm asking for guard you are daft, but I assume you know who needs it.
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On June 26 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, we got the bad end of the deal with that flip, but we can still make the best of it.
Scenario 1: Scum initiated or hopped on the lynch on Xzavier early on in the game. This would mean that LoneMeow/Chromatically/Aquanim are all potential scum.
How likely is this scenario?
Earlier on in the game, we had Chromatically and Aquanim go at it with a full-on slug fest. Although hzflank had a theory that both could be scum, it remains to be seen that that is the case. HOWEVER, this is still a possibility because mafia have their QT chat available during the day and coordinate in that way.
Of the three, I would think that LoneMeow is the most likely to be scum because all he did was initiate the bandwagon that led to the demise of town and contributed little of substance.
Scenario 2: Scum did not initiate or hop on the lynch on Xzavier.
Q. How would these scum react when they see a bandwagon forming on a townie?
A. They would probably try to dissociate themselves from the bandwagon unless it was unlikely that the lynch would go through. Because the lynch was likely to go through, they would behave in the aforementioned way.
Okay great! Let's make a list of the players they weren't associated with the bandwagon for the majority of the game.
Note: I am including people that jumped on the bandwagon when it was inevitable.
1) hzflank
2) Onegu
3) Spicydinosaur
4) StiMaDDict
5) Alakaslam
6) Hurricane Sponge
Of these people, hzflank and Hurricane Sponge are playing extremely pro-town by constantly talking about the game. This should not eliminate them from the running; however, we can temporarily narrow down the list.
1) Onegu
2) Spicydinosaur
3) StiMaDDict
4) Alakaslam
Onegu:
Onegu votes for Aqua, then a few posts later votes for Alakaslam. Most importantly, he declares his apathy toward the lynch of Aquanim vs Xzavier!
The Case Against Onegu: Onegu is [re]scum and Aquanim and Xzavier are both town. Therefore, Onegu is apathetic towards the lynch. He knows both will flip town, so he immediately dissociates himself with that lynch and votes Alakaslam who will not get lynched that day.
I will go into further detail about my other reads, but first, I would like to get some opinions about my analysis.
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Nvm, page 32. Huh. But... Then is your read on me not 100% scum?
Or do you mean that he would bus or just knew I would not be lynched? I SWORE I'd be lynched because I was a total fail, and I largely felt the case against Xzavier was a rust bucket until I read Aquanim's filter.
Hindsight is perfect, how did Onegu know at that time I would not be lynched?
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On June 26 2013 14:16 hzflank wrote:
@Hurricane:
If you were a Vig, and the game rules were that you must take your shot on night 1, who would you shoot?
Make your own decisions don't soft claim 
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On June 26 2013 14:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 12:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 26 2013 12:15 Alakaslam wrote:On June 26 2013 11:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Both of the confirmed townies (see: dead) have stated support for Xzavier and suspicion of Aqua. Spicy also briefly mentioned that he was "not convinced on the aqua vote either and ill post my thoughts on that later", and was the most visible supporter of Xzavier. However, either I can't find those thoughts, or he never got the follow-up out because it was the opener to his Case against yours truly.
@Spicy
Do you feel like elaborating on your thoughts about Aqua now, or are they no longer relevant / valid? O.O Can I do nothing right. Now I see how scummy ^^ looks (I mean my post.) Feh! What am I worried about. My Lynch would give town a lot of confusion though. Not good. I get a strong feeling Mafia are actually pretty active this game, kind of puppetmastering and doing a good job of it. They've got me so far XD No case for the above? Well, it's because of my general feeling based on the whole thread. A lot of people accusing with weak cases or, like me, just avoiding accusing because they're worried their case will be weak (which is in itself scummy in a way- that worry). You know? Really, I'm just very new and very wishy washy. Feel free to ask me stuff, I'll see it on my spare time and I'll try to answer. A lot of stuff I've done I have done to try to be a sideline resource to town. I haven't the best of skill at reading people anywhere, but one thing I can do is tell the truth and navigate TL. So ask me, try to entrap me and make me guilty worse than I am. I need some Town confirmation if I'm going to be useful, and that is the only way I can think of to confirm myself town. Otherwise, please just lynch me. + Show Spoiler + "After all, you just lynched two townies with me. I'm CONFIRMED red, aren't I? So I'd be one less KP when gone" If everyone thinks I'm scum, I'm just dead-weight because nobody believes me. So even scumreads from me become spam, and useless fluff. Has anyone actually considered the motivation behind my filter? I know why I look scummy, heck you guys convinced me (lol). So, I ask you. How do I fix that? What is at my disposal to help town? I thought towniness was any effort to aid town, not YOU MUST SCUMREAD THAT IS ONLY AID TO TOWN AND NO SHEEPING BRO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR VOTE AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT + Show Spoiler + what I just did with most of us. mind you, because trying to read scum less carefully... . If that is actually true, then expect me to suck in the future. I will be a quick lynch. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748 I haven't followed this because I got nutzy after people said I was lurking. Like on page 11. "You don’t have to be a super-active poster to prove your innocence or be useful to the town." WELL AREN'T I A CLASS-A EXAMPLE OF THAT TRUTH. Rather, I have been disobeying "Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos." Not sure why you quoted me, but I just went through your whole filter. On a scale of Scum-to-Townie, I'd put you as a solid 'Potato'. I tried following your train of thought, and it damn near gave me a headache. If you can post thoughts in a much more concise manner from here on out, I'd consider it a personal favor. You seem to be asking for homework, so I will give you some: You associated yourself early with Onegu, even declaring that you would donate your vote to him to use as he pleased. What are your thoughts on him at this moment in light of his attitude toward how the the Day 1 lynch was shaping up late in the day? (Go read his filter. You do not have to respond in the next 10 seconds.) Waitaminute I just sort I did this in reply to him. Pah! Make your cases for a minute I swear I don't know if Onegu is scum or not, FirmTofu (who I DO think is town, he granted my wish) says Onegu scum slipped but I think it relies on me being scum and I know better. But iPhone, that is why i didn't see the error in my own post. Tofu what page did you elaborate on? Medic, I really hope you exist. You should know who to protect right now. If you think I'm asking for guard you are daft, but I assume you know who needs it. It doesn't rely on you being scum at all. You flipping mafia is somewhat reliant on Onegu flipping mafia, however. I believe my case against Onegu is 2 pages ago.
Then my only questions are: why did he help me early on, and how did he know at the time I wouldn't be lynched?
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EBWOP ninjas.
But what? His case was rust? I SWORE I was the scummiest dude in the thread DAMN I am still paranoid! Guess I can chill a bit but people who have a scum read on me; anything I can do that will assauge your concerns? This is a mini, this means mislynch is more serious so I am no longer an advocate of a lynch on me for your info/benefit. (Never really was, who wants to be lynched? I just hate being selfish because I am so much and saw myself being.)
Ok. I think people should be paying more attention to your case then.
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Vote: Onegu. EZ PZ but "revenge is not sweet" if I can really do this. I really felt he was a helpful fellow...
can we vote in advance at night?
If not then please understand the intent firm, I believe you. If so bolding upon reply from mods, and mods please consider it a vote.
I want to establish myself town and I understand tofu's case, I am NOT taking this lightly. Like I said I don't like mislynch in a mini like this!
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On June 26 2013 14:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
I have a question for you, and I need you to answer in the simplest way possible. I promise I will explain later.
Are you scum?
No.
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