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hzflank
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This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid. Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim. | ||
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Yes. And I am a horrible communicator so I will try to put it another way again. Aquanim is looking at the end game scenarios. Aquanim states that the motivation behind the scum making a risky play is because we have 4 confirmed town reads. Aquanim acts in the best way to get an end game scenario where we no longer have those 4 confirmed town read. | ||
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On June 29 2013 12:58 Aquanim wrote: I think the knowledge you have now (that Alakaslam is in fact town) is warping your judgement as to whether I could have believed that case. I will leave this now and go back to it tomorrow. | ||
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You recently claimed to have a null read on Aqua. Is that still the case? Please give us as much info as you can regarding your read on Aqua. | ||
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On June 30 2013 01:02 Spicydinosaur wrote: Also forgot to add something. He had a scum read on aqua d1...and then aqua has a huge post on slam is most likely scum which led to a misslynch... but he now only has a null read?? Doesnt make sense except that hes protecting him or at least not throwing him under the bus yet. Think about this again, very carefully. Do you still stand by that statement? | ||
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On June 29 2013 20:54 Spicydinosaur wrote: I didnt find his call for people to claim roleblock scummy though as its standard mafia game practice to claim (learned this lesson the hard way). Context is important. Not all games have Jailkeepers. Not all games lose two greens on day 1 and a blue on night one. We know that either Hurricane was tracked or Hurricane is Framer. We did not know that at the time, but the scum team knew it. When Aqua wanted the roleblocked claim we did not know whether or not we had a Jailkeeper, and the scum team did not know this either. Assuming that Hurricane is town: which team had the most to gain from knowing whether someone was roleblocked? The information allowed the scum team to pin down Hurricane's role (they already tracked him). They already killed a blue on night one and a JK kill on night 2 would have been the best scenario for them. Also, the scum team knew that Onegu might claim today. He could be counter claimed by a Watcher or Tracker. If a Tracker counter claimed then the scum got a 100% read on Hurricane's role. On the other hand, the information allowed the town to know that there is no roleblocker or JK in the game. What benefit did the town gain from knowing that? I swear, the second I read Aqua's Public Service Announcement I face-palmed. I did not think that Aqua was scum as he was in my town list, but I did think that he was making a mistake. | ||
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On June 30 2013 02:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote: This doesn't feel thought-through. A scenario where StiM and Aqua are both scum is unlikely. Gah I did not want this posted yet :p A case where Stim and Aqua are both scum is almost zero. | ||
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On June 30 2013 02:07 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Apologies. But at least this reinforces my Town read on you, for whatever that's worth. I have been thinking a lot about Mafia as this is my first game. One of the reasons we are losing if because the town players are playing Mafia very badly. We are letting the scum pretend to be bad town. We are defending scum so that they do not have to defend themselves. I am as guilty of this as anyone. However, we need to start actually playing the game if we want to win. | ||
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In addition that that: if you have a strong town read on someone then play with them. We can set people up as a team. I tried to do it yesterday with Aqua, twice. The first time it worked and we put pressure on Onegu. The second time it failed (I expected either Hurricane or Aqua to switch their vote at the last second). | ||
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On June 30 2013 02:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote: To be fair, there was a lot of Town playing as actual Bad Town this game as well... I'm hesitant to publicly team up in a 3-Man Townie squad, because that basically tells the mafia exactly how to direct their NK's. They already know how to plan their NKs. Once the night actions are closed I will tell you who is NKed tonight. Lets continue this after night actions are in. I will explain how I think certain people should play as a team on day 3 (if they are town). | ||
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On June 28 2013 20:57 hzflank wrote: Simplified: Onegu is town Alakaslam is scum Hurricane has a power role Alakaslam is town Onegu is scum Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane Can someone look at this again for me. I think that I made a mistake but I cannot figure out where. Why can Hurricane not be Mafia Framer at this point? | ||
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Onegu could be Framer. Hurricane could be scum and lying about visiting Alakaslam. Possible? (ignore reads, just look at actions). | ||
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On June 28 2013 18:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: No one is disputing that Onegu acquired knowledge last night. By some means, he deduced something that likely happened. However, it is not just a Watcher that could have figured that out. Indeed, it is actually MORE LIKELY in this scenario for a Mafia Tracker or a Mafia Framer to figure it out! A mafia Tracker could choose to 'track' a high-profile townie for various reasons A mafia Framer would CERTAINLY choose to follow THE MOST HIGH PROFILE TOWNIE NOT BEING SHOT THAT NIGHT. (If you don't know why, we need to get you back to Mafia School. At the time actions were declared, the Parity Cop was alive. Mafia know that the Cop will check his scummiest read vs. his towniest read. The framer's play is to figure out who is most everyone's towniest read, barring the person who is getting shot that night, and pay them a visit, essentially flipping their alignment and throwing the Parity Cop off course.) Both of these situations could explain how Onegu acquired the knowledge he did, and neither situation conflicts with Alakaslam's story. If Onegu was a Framer, then Onegu would not know that Hurricane visited Alakaslam. The only way that Onegu could of known is if Onegu Framed Hurricane at the same time as another scum Tracked Hurricane. How likely is that? The only other way for Onegu to know is if Hurricane is scum. Hurricane backed up Onegu's claim by saying that he did indeed visit Alakaslam. But he did it in a non-committal way which could be seen as an attempt to leave himself an out. | ||
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 Is it good play to both Track and Frame the same person in that situation? | ||
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