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On June 29 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:53 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:52 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:51 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:49 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:48 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:45 hzflank wrote:
Vote:##Onegu You were voting for Alakaslam before. What changed your mind? If Alakaslam is scum then the only possible 3 man scum team is Alaka, Firm and Stim. If I can convince you that I am town then we win. Therefore, we have nothing to lose by mislynching Onegu, but a lot to lose by mislynching Alakaslam. WHAT?SCUM WON'T NECESSARILY ALL BE VOTING FOR THE TOWNIE HERE WTF Look at when the votes went down. LoneMeow dropped the important 5th vote. You made the important case. The read on Hurricane is independent of is vote. LoneMeow voted for Alakaslam FIRST Yep. It went Aqua, Onegu, hzflank, Spicy, LoneMeow. Then I unvoted and Hurricane voted. He just decided to vote again, god knows why He voted before the claims, then unvoted when the claims occurred. Then voted again later. He unvoted, did he? Guess I missed that.
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On June 29 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:53 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:52 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:51 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:49 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:48 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 10:45 hzflank wrote:
Vote:##Onegu You were voting for Alakaslam before. What changed your mind? If Alakaslam is scum then the only possible 3 man scum team is Alaka, Firm and Stim. If I can convince you that I am town then we win. Therefore, we have nothing to lose by mislynching Onegu, but a lot to lose by mislynching Alakaslam. WHAT?SCUM WON'T NECESSARILY ALL BE VOTING FOR THE TOWNIE HERE WTF Look at when the votes went down. LoneMeow dropped the important 5th vote. You made the important case. The read on Hurricane is independent of is vote. LoneMeow voted for Alakaslam FIRST He just decided to vote again, god knows why He voted before the claims, then unvoted when the claims occurred. Then voted again later. He unvoted, did he? Guess I missed that.
Forum fail.
Votes went on in this order:
Aqua
Onegu
hzflank
Spicy
LoneMeow
Then hzflank unvotes, and Hurricane votes.
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On June 29 2013 11:04 FirmTofu wrote:
No matter what, tomorrow we lynch Onegu. The question is, who do we lynch the following day?
Firm, let Hurricane and Aqua go at it. We need to see them as only one of them (at most) is scum.
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also, one or both of LoneMeow and Spicy are scum.
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On June 29 2013 11:05 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Well played, Aqua. Too bad you and Onegu had to die now for that.
A mislynch always sucks, but Slam was radio silent this whole time. He mentioned himself he was mentally checked out of this game, so as long as the rest of town stays motivated going forward, we'll win this. No. I am not going to vote Aquanim unless you make an extraordinary case against him. Spicy is my top read for too many reasons to count. We should be lynching him after Onegu.
Don't defend Aqua. i want Hurricane to attack him. And when he is finished I may just have a go myself.
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On June 29 2013 11:16 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:10 Aquanim wrote:On June 29 2013 11:06 FirmTofu wrote:
@Aquanim
I want your new reads. Please explain why as well. I'll have to think about association with Onegu and that might take a while, but for now this is where I'm at: Spicy: didn't commit hard to either lynch today. Still got no reasons to think he's town. Nothing much has really changed about Spicy since my read at the end of Night 1. StiMaDDict: still hasn't done jack LoneMeow: hasn't done much of anything, and vote for Alakaslam now doesn't look real good. Still pretty sure everyone else (besides Onegu, obviously) is town but I suppose I'd better take another look at everyone to be sure. StiM cast a crucial vote against Onegu. If you're still suspecting him, you're obviously not analyzing from a pro-town perspective.
Exactly. When I dropped that 4th vote on Onegu I was half-expecting Aqua or Hurricane to drop the hammer. Stim could not of know that they would not do this. Stim is likely town.
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On June 29 2013 11:20 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
If the remaining townies don't see that Aqua is scum, we deserve to lose. (Not that we already don't deserve to lose with the quality posting content of StiM, Xzavier and Alakaslam on our side...)
The mafia play here is to kill me tonight (since I'm probably the only one who can convince Tofu of anything at this point), resulting in a split vote on Day 4 and a mafia win. If the remaining townies can't tell that I'm town we're going to lose.
Then why did you push so hard to lynch Alakaslam? You must of played out endgame scenarios.
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Aqua, why did you make your public service announcement when you did? The one asking people to claim if they had been roleblocked.
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if someone had been roleblocked they would ask a coach and claim it. You really wanted to know whether or not someone was roleblocked, why?
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You want to know why I thought the hammer might go down on Onegu?...
Because less than an hour ago I was quizzing Stim because he mentioned roleblock claims. The next post was a 'public service announcement' from Hurricane. I thought that if Hurricane was town he realized why I asked and was leaving a breadcrumb for me. I thought that if Aqua was town he would noticed the connection.
I was waiting to see which of them switched their vote.
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On June 29 2013 11:31 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 27 2013 22:35 Aquanim wrote:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
If you have been roleblocked (you will have been notified by a PM from the host), claim in the thread in your next post that you have been roleblocked. This is NOT a claim that you have a role to be blocked. A player with no powers may also be blocked. This information is far more valuable to the town than it is to mafia when revealed. If you doubt this, check any recent normal game with roleblock/jailkeeper roles. (It just occured to me that no-one has said this yet, and perhaps there's someone who doesn't know.) We all let this slip by. Mafia want to know if they're contending with a JK. <facepalm> Claiming roleblocks is standard play in every TL mafia game. Check with your coach.
Bad answer. If someone was roleblocked they would of contacted a coach if they needed to. You needed to know whether someone was roleblocked. Why?
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On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:
To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.
You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank.
So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”
Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do.
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On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.
Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect?
Slow down. The game is not solved yet. Let's focus on finding just one more scum for now.
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On June 29 2013 12:13 FirmTofu wrote:
@Hurricane
Again, I request you consolidate your posts. I agree with many of your points. At this moment, I am willing to vote LoneMeow 2 days from now, but I am still not convinced about Aquanim over Spicy.
Explain to me Onegu's day 1 behavior voting for Aquanim. That is what is most striking to me and is a big part of why I think Aquanim is town.
Onegu put his vote on Aqua early, when it was 2-2 and Aqua still had his vote available. (Lone had used his vote, but Spicy's vote was also still available).
Onegu removed his vote from Aqua when it was 4-4 and there was a greater chance that the Aqua wagon would win. It was in fact Onegu's unvote that completely deflated the wagon on Aqua.
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On June 29 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:11 hzflank wrote:On June 28 2013 21:01 Aquanim wrote:
To get enough mislynches in this situation, scum have to convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum. The most plausible way to do this is to find a way to counter Onegu's claim, since there is still some thread sentiment against him, and without the claim FirmTofu at least has proved his desire to see Onegu lynched.
You said yourself that our town list was: Aquanim, Hurricane, FirmTofu and hzflank. So, if you actually believed the above quote then you would of pushed for the four of us to work together. In the end, what you have actually done is ”convince us that one of the people we previously thought was town is in fact scum”Your case against Alakaslam did the exact same thing that you claimed the scum fake claim was trying to do. My case against Alakaslam was intended to push for all of the townies in the thread to get behind it. My read was in fact wrong and the end result is that a townie was mislynched. As a townie, that was obviously not my intention.
No. That quote contains your reason as to why the scum team would be motivated to fake claim. But if you apply that same logic to the reason why you should or should not of defended Onegu, then you should not.
it is inconsistent
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Firm, please tell me what you think of my above point on Aqua.
I honestly think that is the first good scum read I have made all day. it is not fluffy. I think he made a mistake when he posted that because a town Aqua would not of thought like that.
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On June 29 2013 12:23 FirmTofu wrote:
@hzflank
Can you go through Aquanim's and Spicy's filter as well and give me your thoughts on both of them?
@Everyone else
Please state your top three scum reads at this juncture.
*hint hint* Onegu should be on that list.
Onegu
Aquanim
Spicy or LoneMeow
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EBWOP
First good scum read I have made all game
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