Catch 22 Mafia

On June 23 2013 07:08 ObviousOne wrote:

I don't recall having any experience with town Shiao, can you clarify what you mean when comparing the two? I have Shiao as a candidate for what looked like an intentionally over-antagonistic approach towards GK. Is that characteristic of a town Shiao, if you know of Shiao's play?

On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote GoodKarma

I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP.

I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there.

On June 23 2013 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:


Well I explained the GK thing before. He's playing this side-game with Shaio, is not a presence int he town at all, his analysis has been lacking, and fucks off when we're supposed to be consolidating.

As for hesitations for lynching DP, I just feel like GK is a better shot at flipping red at this stage. In addition, it seems like everyone is ok with a DP lynch and that this wagon just "acquiesced" on him. I understand the reasons for voting DP, and I'm very sympathetic to them. Hell Ange's last post on the subject was quite compelling.

Idunno. I'm torn =/

On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.

On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.

On June 23 2013 07:44 slOosh wrote:
I think it is important. I'm asking because I also want to get a better read on you both, and see which one is the better lynch.

On June 23 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote:


DP hasn't only posted oneliners, I think that's a pretty big misrepresentation right there

On June 23 2013 07:57 Adam4167 wrote:


Threatening an AFK with a lynch generally amounts to nothing. I KNOW DP will be here and being on the same timezone, Ill be able to pick his brain thoroughly. I don't know when ill have the chance to do this with GK as his activity can be sparse.

On June 23 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
im not vigi. if ur town u will be nightkilled tho.

On June 23 2013 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
how the fuck are you people getting town reads on marv. hes playing so scummy.....

On June 23 2013 08:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Coag, at a certain point, if you want to call marv scum, do so sanely and constructively. Because the whole
foaming at the mouth "marv is scum trolololololol" doesn't really cut it for me, nor for the rest of the people here.

I also still don't understand the giant gap in analysis that you have regarding the DP vote - your analysis and thought process is literally only valid if GK isn't mafia.

On June 23 2013 10:41 slOosh wrote:
p.s.
Marv's point about cora is pertinent here. Cora thought DP was town, but didn't (or couldn't) make an effort to move the lynch onto goodkarma. If anything that is some town points. Cora you don't look as bad (at least to me) as you may think.

Let's not waste this night. I want discussion about tomorrow's lynch to happen tonight before the NKs.

I forsaw Oats' mislynch in Roulette but didn't voice it, so this time I'll go on record and say that my #1 preference for tomorrow isn't goodkarma or cora. Reasoning / backup will follow later when I have more time (but if I can't, put this in your back pocket as consideration).

On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:


I am reasonably caught up.

Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick.

I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow.

Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order).

On June 23 2013 20:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna discuss adam right now actually.

What do you think of him trying to lynch me for being bad but having all the people he brought up for being bad flipped town?

Actually what do you guys think of the whole part where I was being an asshole and bad?

On June 23 2013 20:48 marvellosity wrote:


rayn seems to me to have put in some of the most effort on Day 1 into solving the game. A lot of his posts show inquisitive thinking and trying to determine motives. He just seems very interested in solving the game. I feel somewhat less strongly than I did on Day 1 for reason already mentioned, so we'll see where he goes from here.

I agree with... um... someone? :D who said that DP flipping red actually makes Corazon look quite a bit better than DP flipping green. If they're mafia together then Corazon really didn't try to push the lynch off DP onto GK at all. The issue with this is that it relies on the assumption that GK is green, which isn't one we can really make with any certainty at this stage. Other than that his posts read genuine enough, his bitch argument with me is the same bitch argument we always seem to have when he's town. He seems to care although his absence around the lynch is a bit concerning.

On June 23 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
no kidding that wasnt helpful. It wasnt meant to be helpful. It was meant to be funny. Also I was way lazy and got decent reactions from it though.


I dont wanna lynch hapa as I said earlier.

On June 23 2013 21:38 marvellosity wrote:
No, I meant if he's mafia fakeclaiming, then they're gonna have to hide their roleblock on him otherwise he's gonna have to answer some tricky questions. So they won't be roleblocking other, potential blues.

Also no, that's not what I was getting at at all. Sigh. That's not what I've written either, I guess it's a language barrier thing. I'm trying to say that Corazon would look signifcantly *worse* if GK was also scum rather than if GK was town (because in this scenario Corazon barely tried to get the lynch off DP).

On June 23 2013 01:58 marvellosity wrote:

People I think are town to varying degrees:

Corazon
Oats
rayn
yamato

People I have reason to think they're both town and mafia:

ShiaoPi
goodkarma

People I'm unsure about but I think they're bad lynches:

Hapahauli
Sylencia
DarthPunk
Coagulation

People that I'd like to kill:

Ange
slOosh
Obvious

On June 23 2013 06:24 marvellosity wrote:


I dunno :/ Basically waiting for slOosh / Ange to report their findings. coag's just a crapshoot. Obvious sounded better but now he's disappeared again. I'm just browsing GK's filter since you mentioned him. What's the strongest point(s) against him would you say?

On June 23 2013 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: goodkarma

Screw him being absent and screw his terrible case on Oats. I don't buy his explanation about the meta thing very much, because he *was* bringing him up on that basis and that basis was bad. I'm also still failing to understand why he was so shocked that Oats wanted to kill yamato for having backflipped reads after being suspicious of Hapa and DP. I was flicking through gk's filter in I Swear (I understand that he was mafia) but GK does seem to be pretty aware of Oats' meta in general. I simply don't get how he could be so suspicious of Oats at that stage for what Oats had done.