Piles and piles of WIFOM.

Alright. This is getting us absolutely nowhere. I propose a deal to you. We both came to the same (correct!) conclusion on ShiaoPi. We take one day of the next cycle where we do not attack each other. We go through everyone else in the game and try to come up with SOMETHING that isn't both of us slinging shit at each other.

If after that day we still have nothing, we happily go back to voting each other and then town can flip one of us. Deal?

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:28 GMT

#1875

Ok, well its a start. Why?

His interactions with Rayn looked pretty good to me, maybe that's bias from being on the receiving end of his shit also. Does this feel like Hapa from Duel? it took him 3 full cycles to get an 8 page filter there, he shit that out in half a day here. His scum play in that game was very.. hands-off and reserved, he largely sat back saying nice things while we all went at each other. That is about the opposite of what I see out of Hapa this game.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:38 GMT

#1878

Those are two pretty big plus's in his favor.

Go look at any of Hapa's scum games, they're all really low filter count compared to his town games. All of his town games are in excess of 20+ page filters unless he dies early. Hes well on track for that again here. I can see the frustration and confusion in his text, I feel more confident that Hapa is town right now than just about anyone else.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:40 GMT

#1880

Day 2 activity wasn't great for anyone. We had two semi-lurkers in a standoff position and i feel a majority of people were waiting for them to produce more on each other before making the judgement call on which one of them was probably scum.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:41 GMT

#1881

All 3 of us played together in Chrono, Duel, now here. If memory serves.

Me and you also played together briefly in... LX... or possibly LXI, where I replaced in, did nothing except sheep supermarv.

So no, this isn't the first time we've played together at all.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:44 GMT

#1883

I dont really see a scum motivation for misrepresenting that detail though.

Why would he want to downplay my tunnel on you?

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:47 GMT

#1886

2 scum and 3 3rd parties?

Who did the SK shoot last night?

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:54 GMT

#1892

Chrono made me want to stab myself in the eye, so I can forgive you for that.

I caught Z-Boson red handed and then he replaced out and I spent 3 cycles smashing my head against a wall over his horrible cases while getting called scum the whole time.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 02:58 GMT

#1898

Assuming GK is town and not just playing us for fools, then the only way Yamato could have died was from Marv.

Thats that KP accounted for. Coag shot Rayn, no one is disputing that. That leaves 1KP, on the target of the person that lead the lynch on the scum GF, so scum factional is a safe bet here.

From a setup perspective, SK is extremely unlikely, as is two families of two. There just wouldn't be enough townies in the game with whats already been flipped. I think we keep it simple here and work with 1 scum remaining. Traitor is also a possibility as was earlier proposed.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:16 GMT

#1905

The obvious answer to that oats is that he thinks the final scum is one of me or you, and as such he values our opinion much less as a result. Not an unreasonable position.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:31 GMT

#1914

On June 26 2013 12:26 Hapahauli wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's not even that I think you're scum at this point. It's that I have such a hard time believing that anyone else could be scum.

Like on behavior, this conversation gives me town vibes with both you and Adam. If so, then who's scum?

Do we spite-lynch GK tomorrow then cross our fingers?

My thoughts exactly. This conversation is actually flowing quite naturally.

So then I consider maybe a traitor that inadvertently bussed DP on D1 without knowing it. But does a roleblocking traitor even make sense?! Someone roleblocked Cora and they're not claiming it.

Something hinkey is happening in this game, I felt it on D2 when Shiao and GK both looked town and im getting it again now.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:35 GMT

#1919

I feel like a townie might have claimed the roleblock to try and clear up some of this confusion.

What good is a townside roleblocker when you cant roleblock factional KP and the one scum powerrole we have seen launched during the daytime?

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:38 GMT

#1924

I feel like the second point I made there is the most prevalent reason that it is a scumside RB.

What friggen good is a town RB in this setup? A town JK I can see, for stopping damage potential. But a flat town RB is dogshit here as it does zero except interfere with other town roles. I don't think we have two townside JK's.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:40 GMT

#1926

Well, as we just proved, the RB is most probably scumside. Scum dont actually roleblock themselves when they claim roleblock, so the fact that acro confirmed that Cora was roleblocked means that he is most probably not scum.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:43 GMT

#1932

Well the obvious one to take off the table is OO, DP and Rayn both seemingly went to bed with their votes firmly parked on OO. I don't think they bussed their roleblocker on D1.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:51 GMT

#1936

Doublevoters are almost exclusively town.

Giving an extra vote to the mafia is borderline broken. The mafias sole objective in this game is to increase their voting power to the point where it overwhelms the town. Giving them a hidden vote brings them one step closer to that objective (LYLO), without the town knowing it. It almost serves as having another mafia player, without having someone saying shit in the thread to get caught.

Adam4167

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June 26 2013 03:54 GMT

#1937

On June 26 2013 12:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Even sloOsh - he hammered DP and has shown many times more the engagement in scumhunting and posting than I've ever seen him do as scum.

If not sloosh, then we've come full circle and we're back to a complete crapshoot with GK, whos rage-quit the game.

I'd like to here more out of Sloosh today, hes been reasonably quiet and I know hes a capable player. When i'm catching him in filter after he had a 48 hour head start, I raise an eyebrow.

Adam4167

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June 27 2013 00:42 GMT

#1951

Alright.

There's a handful of people that all have more reasons to be dead tonight than Hapa, this was a night kill aimed at shutting down discussion.

I want everyone posting. The last 36 hours was predominately me, oats and Hapa, I want to see more out of the rest of you. Write cases on who you think is scum. No one is off the table.

OO, I look forward to reading more fleshed out reads from your last paragraph there.

Still no sloosh and its been 24 hours since his last post.

Adam4167

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June 27 2013 00:55 GMT

#1955

Coag, do you still think Oats is scum?

Adam4167

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June 27 2013 01:22 GMT

#1956

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I posted one minute after you, where the flipping shit did you go?