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On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?
It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.
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On June 23 2013 07:50 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 07:44 slOosh wrote:
I think it is important. I'm asking because I also want to get a better read on you both, and see which one is the better lynch. Are you implicating that you want to lynch one of hapa or marv next time or are you referring to DarthPunk/goodkarma?
LOL I was just thinking this same thing.
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We can be reasonably sure that DP won't fuck off if he doesn't die today. Can we say the same about GK?
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I need to find the quote for this.
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On March 11 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote:
Watch this.
Pro GF snipe right here.
On June 16 2012 17:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
After the game I'll tell you what you should have done differently supersoft.
##Shoot: Supersoft
Ya'll ready for a pro gf snipe?
Fuck it took too long to find that. Now it's not as timely/funny.
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I'm pretty sure Coag is Batman. He's all about what happens at night.
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Well, Dimitri, every search for a hero must begin with something every hero needs, a villain. So in a search for our hero, Marvellosity, we have created a more effective monster: Coagulation.
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Couple thoughts.
Finally established a tentative town read on Coag. Helped get DP lynched without a second thought (except all things Marv, but that's an issue outside the scope of the game purposes perhaps). This one made me laughter out loud:
+ Show Spoiler [lol] +On June 23 2013 09:08 Coagulation wrote:Well marv next time maybe you should say something like "btw coag I will be ignoring you because I dont like you anymore" instead of just acting all awkward about shit and pussy footing around the issue and coming off as super scummy to me. I cant be expected to keep track of all the people that I butt hurt on a game to game basis. or wait.... maybe I can. OK.
Town read on Oats stands until I get the chance to look at some of his scum games here on TL to see if maybe I've tricked myself into misreading him. I'll look it up tonight.
Shiao still on my scum radar. Need to review GK as he has come back, that's points in his favor already. Shiao disappeared in our last game together where he was scum and then did the play-from-behind thing which I absolutely will not accept this time. I don't think they are scum together, but I do think one of them is scum, and it's most likely Shiao.
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Holy shit Oats has one solitary scum game in his profile and it's Ego? I'm fucked.
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On June 24 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 00:54 ObviousOne wrote:
Holy shit Oats has one solitary scum game in his profile and it's Ego? I'm fucked. He was scum in Dr Who
TY I'll use that as well.
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Yeah I'm good on my Oats town read.
Scum games Doctor Who + Ego Mini:
- Seriously complains a lot
- More complaining (easy to read in a whining tone)
- Weak/simple case and a vote, which he lets go soon in order to,
- Find a strong town read and sheeps them mirroring their reasoning
Oats in this game:
- Everything is very matter of fact
- Not giving a single iota of a fuck
- Doesn't even bother with big cases or major reasons half the time
- Attacks / interrogates strong townie presences
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This is what I wrote on OMGUS in the post-game for zombie and how I originally got a town read on him:
Town oats is indecisive as fuck, lost, dazed and confused. This oats was not, he was so focused on me (and to you guys I'm sure it looked like OMGUS) but I felt it within my bowels and couldn't express it properly without further (nevermind that I wasn't even around enough to do something like that, I missed the deadline for voting by sleeping through it). Scum oats pretends to be "random" that looks calculated, town oats operates by true random that looks like a fucking lunatic. When you learn how to spot the difference, you'll have a pretty good thermometer for him.
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On June 24 2013 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm inclined to think that Rayn's super-defense of Oats last night makes Oats town. Rayn just seems waaaay too sure about it, and hard defending a scum-buddy like that is very psychologically difficult.
That's really all I drew of relevancy from Rayn's filter on one quick readthrough. He does talk about reads on Shiao, GK, and others, but never really does anything committal that would say anything about their allignments.
I'd like to hear other's thoughts on it.
Don't you mean my hard defense of Oatsmaster?
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I wrote a few posts about it, before you came back I think, detailing why I thought that Oats was town. Do you disagree with me on that? If I remember correctly you were drawing some kind of association with Yamato? I need to read it again.
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Hrm. Either I'm misremembering something or it never happened.
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Found the post where you talked about it that I was thinking about. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18977684 and the next post
I'll check out Oats' filter after this episode of Fringe.
Just based on what you've highlighted in that post and from what we can guess regarding the red flip, which explains the implied suspicion of Oats from DP's direction. While it's easy to attribute Oats -> DP suspicion as cursory or distancing, from memory it was more like Oats was obsessed with his own scum read in Yamato. Plus you're talking about a technique that I don't necessarily give Oats the credit for being able to pull off gracefully (which could mean he did it poorly as mafia or it's just how things look to the observer which I believe to be the case). I see it more as just happenstance, not as a planned thing.
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On June 24 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah dude, I agree with you.
Oats is town. You don't have to preach to the choir.
AMEN BROTHER
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On June 25 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh why do I wanna lynch you again?
Why.... .
Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness.
AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees?
Just getting up, I presume it's all in the last couple pages your filter? I need coffee first. Preliminary thoughts: To me it looked like he was setting up suspicion on Adam for a future mislynch but he went about it kind of awkwardly. Adam was in the thread for barely 24 hours when Rayn wrote his last post on him.
I can't rationalize Rayn getting a replacement partner and starting shit on him instead of giving his partner time to establish town presence. It seems like a stretch to say that Rayn's behavior somehow implicates Adam as mafia. Independently of Rayn, Adam was transparent about his thoughts even when he didn't have solid scum reads and I got the impression he was (and still is) genuinely interested in solving the game. Rayn bussing his teammate like that doesn't make sense when there was very little impetus of guilt on Adam's slot.
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On June 25 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn's interaction with Adam is alignment neutral.
How in the world can you say he is interested in solving the game when he has no scumreads AND DOESNT FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Just keeps on going, nope, nope, nope. With no obvious effort put in to try and find them.
what the fuck OO.
Hapa read: Town
On June 23 2013 22:25 Adam4167 wrote:
It goes into consideration, but I take their filters in as a whole.
I've just been privileged to play in a town that imploded after pushing 2 scum on day 1, due to the faulty logic "he wasn't on the scum lynch D1, therefore scummy" so i'm hesitant to make that call again here when I see objectively townie play from them, at least in my opinion.
If either Marv or Hapa were scum with DP, they'd have rolled over this town and we'd have lynched OO for sure. Their thread control would have been enormous. No way they'd have let him get lynched if he was their teammate.
Coag read: Town
On June 24 2013 08:27 Adam4167 wrote:
*hi-five* Coag.
You saved me a day of talking to a brick wall.
Oats read: Wants you dead
On June 24 2013 11:10 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm at the point where id be happy to watch him hang regardless of his alignment.
Anti-town? sure. Doesn't make it any less true.
ShiaoPi read: Probably town
On June 24 2013 15:24 Adam4167 wrote:
Mhmm, this is exactly what I was afraid of.
I do not think a scum ShiaoPi would be giving me a town read of right here. Nor was I expecting GK to do it when he did, if he were actually scum.
Something fucking fishy going on this game.
Non-DP Voters: ShiaoPi, marvellosity, Hapahauli, cDgCorazon, Adam4167. Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Raynpelikoneet
Potential suspects remaining: ShiaoPi, marvellosity, Hapahauli, cDgCorazon, Adam4167. Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Raynpelikoneet
Do you see why he wants to lynch you, Oats?
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On June 25 2013 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Think about it, OO, why has he not said the elimination reason, and instead, said its cause he cant be bothered with reading me and its better to kill me now than for me to lose lylo.
Quick question then, have you played many games together with Adam? Is his antagonistic nature and desire to kill you "because you're bad" indicative of him being less tolerant of it because of how Smurf ended or because he's not interested in figuring out your alignment as mafia? I can see the case for it being either one, but if you can elaborate on any history you have with him (prior to Smurf) that would point to reasons why this would be out of character for him that would be helpful.
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