I'll also state that I think Cora is really, really townie.

There are certain people that are off-limits for scum to attack (obvious townies, etc), because scum fundamentally want to blend in.

So when Cora is going off and being suspicious of players like OO, sloOsh, and Ange, that's 100% paranoid townie. Suspicions like that attract attention like crazy, and scum really just want to play along.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 23 2013 23:54 GMT

#1490

Right now I think I'm between lynching GK and Shiao.

Adam's play has seemed fairly genuine to me. It's a bit of a gut-read, but one I'm comfortable with for now.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 23 2013 23:54 GMT

#1492

And who the hell is voting in that poll without posting their rationale?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 23 2013 23:56 GMT

#1494

^bingo

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 23 2013 23:57 GMT

#1497

Yeah dude, I agree with you.

Oats is town. You don't have to preach to the choir.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 23 2013 23:59 GMT

#1499

As for who to vote, I'm not placing anything until I hear what they have to say.

Despite the fact that we're ahead, lynching the last scum can be extremely difficult (harder to draw connections, especially when two scumbuddies die early). Best to take this one calm and slow.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 00:10 GMT

#1505

Also, does anyone here support GK or Shiao roleclaiming if they have roles?

We're down a confirmed cop and a vigi, vs two incredibly powerful mafia roles. It's likely we have another role (maybe 2?) somewhere.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:07 GMT

#1510

@ GK

Is Shiao really the only scumread you have in this game?

Because "I agree with all of you regarding your town reads, Shiao has to be scum" is a bit hollow.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:10 GMT

#1512

On June 24 2013 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv and yamato werent town. ha.

GK saying he is obvtown instead of town is rubbing me the wrong way. Its like obv town is your appearance to the thread, town is your actual alignment.

Im only inclined on lynching Adam/GK/Hapa today.
I dont know what its about but hapa's play d2 has felt really off, like posts for the sake of it and stuff.

Ooookay well what's "off" about my Day 2 play?

Also, how do you explain the fact that Rayn has been trying to desperately get me killed for the last 48 hours?

Lastly, substantiate some reads on Adam/GK for me. That would be niiiiice.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:15 GMT

#1515

^

Regarding the above, that opens the door to some speculation about scum-teams. For example I've seen Hiro roll scumteams with Traitor roles, and such information could be removed from a mafia role PM.

That being said, Traitors rarely have individual KP.

So if there's no NK tomorrow, the scum-team setup is probably 2 mafia + 1 traitor. If there is one, then ignore mah conspiracy theories.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:16 GMT

#1516

Sigh. Did I get Oats wrong?

I mean I know he's bad, but he's never this bad. Like he usually has reasons beyond "OMG U MAFIAZZZZZ"

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:28 GMT

#1518

On June 24 2013 10:26 goodkarma wrote:

Show nested quote +

In one word: yes.

I'm assuming given our knowledge of the setup we're most likely left with only one scum. In such a case, Shao is the most likely to be scum, not only for his scummy behavior, but because I have townreads on literally everyone else in the game right now.

Not really hollow. Just a logical conclusion to this whole ordeal. I'm fairly confident I've found the last scum.

Can you convince me that Oats is town again? He keeps trying my patience.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 01:54 GMT

#1520

Why is it every time I try to get Oats to talk about scumreads, he pulls a disappearing act?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 04:55 GMT

#1533

##Vote Shiao

Not getting the bad vibes from GK

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 05:27 GMT

#1541

On June 24 2013 14:04 Coagulation wrote:
well I think that all but cements my vote on him at this point.

Shiao has been around here for a while, and is a pretty smart guy, but historically that hasn't translated to his mafia play. He played a fairly good scum-game in his most recent game (I Swear Mini), however, I wouldn't call him an expert blue-sniper by any stretch.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 05:58 GMT

#1548

I don't really get it Shaio - why are you advocating a "trade" plan involving flipping you and then GK if you're not sure that GK is scum?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 06:03 GMT

#1550

On June 24 2013 15:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am not sure on him, since I can see some town mentality behind his posts (especially the recent ones, having been gone from the thread for a while certainly helped as well), but by virtue of elimination and his earlier play he must be scum

Can you go through your reads some other players and why you feel so strongly that this is a process-of-elimination thing?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 06:08 GMT

#1553

Can you filter Adam and give me your thoughts on him?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 08:30 GMT

#1574

##Unvote

Can't say I'd expect something like this out of a scum Shiao. I'll have to do a read-through tomorrow.

One thing that crossed my mind is that the last hostile party might be a traitor, which would open up some avenues. I'm not sure how likely this is (given that Cora claimed RB, which looks like a scum RB). But if there's no NK tomorrow, we need to start looking into that possibility.

As for GK/Shiao, I've gotten townie vibes fromt hem, but nothing to override other town-reads I have yet.

Anyway, let's see what GK has to say about all of this.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 24 2013 09:04 GMT

#1576

On June 24 2013 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
go to sleep hapa.
lol.

No!

Eh yeah I will right now actually.

And what is your current read on adam? considering you asked shiao, i assume you have something new?

Nothing new on Adam after a brief skim of his filter just now. A deeper read is a project for tomorrow morning.

That being said, Shiao is pulling off the paranoid townie real well. The fact that he's not just settling for the "process of elimination GK lynch" and is looking into other players (such as myself) as well is very townie. GK's approach looks a lot worse, with which he seems a bit too comfortable with the situation.

...
Adam also I believe to be town, as he shows an active involvement in the game.

I'm obvtown.

His read on Adam seems scarcely informed. Adam is involved, and I tend to believe from his posting sounds townie, but the whole "he's actively involved, town, ez" seems a bit too... easy.

That, and the "I'm Obvtown" thing rubs me the wrong way. Because he's clearly not, or he wouldn't be in this position as one of the two major lynch options for today.

Anywho, I'd lean towards GK over Shiao at this point.
Adam is a project for tomorrow. Yourself as well.