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On June 29 2013 05:58 Coagulation wrote:dont go running to the mod like a little baby crying for him to give me a scolding for being too curt with you and then spew fuck you coags and inflammatory remarks "lol if hes bad what does that make coag" at me. it doesnt work like that. you get to pick one. grow some balls and hang with the big boys without the mod holding your hand. or you fucking sit the fuck down and bite your fucking tongue as I HAVE DONE WITH YOU Since you fucking took the time to ask the game host to kiss your booboo and modkill the mean man.
Yeah this is the reason I'm never playing a game of mafia with you ever again.
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On June 29 2013 06:01 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 05:23 goodkarma wrote:On June 29 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I gotta sleep, wont be back before lynch.
Coag or Cora, leave me for tmr.
I am way more active than GK and the less people you get to, the better it is to have active people and not people who post once a day. Activity =/= quality And were you intent on finding scum, or just calling all active people townies? Because these two things don't necessarily coincide with each other. Like at all. yeah well 1 shit post every 3 days doesnt = activity OR quality.
You're one to talk about quality lol.
For consolidation:
##Unvote
##Vote: GK
For all of you when I flip town:
Puppy-kickers:
Oats
Adam
sloosh
Obvious
Obvtown:
GK
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On June 28 2013 15:34 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:10 HiroPro wrote:
In regards to the role PMs posted after flips:
The non-mafia that have flipped have had their complete role PMs posted. The mafia that have flipped have information removed from their PM that has nothing to do with their individual role.
Sloosh, this is why I want more out of everybody, even the so-called confirmed. Something was told to the mafia that the rest of us aren't getting told. If there was some kind of traitor that joined the scum team on D2, then a single vote on DP counts for nothing. We're in a closed setup, anything is possible.
Sure, but not everything is reasonable.
My guess is that mafia might have maybe a bit more information about the setup (e.g. Carnival gave scum knowledge of existence of cop & vig). Or something about KP formula.
Traitor is town aligned until recruited. For balance reasons I don't buy a traitor, since it means 2 man scum team, which is horribly unfavored for scum. Also, it means rayn successfully recruited someone out of 12 players N1, since I don't think traitor would have guessed rayn. Also it means that either scum have a factional RB or traitor had RB.
We can discuss this more at night if the game hasn't ended.
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The game won't have ended lol.
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Meh. Wish I'd had a more ceremonious exit, but whatevs. Last game. This game was just so senseless, and honestly this just isn't fun anymore.
Best of luck to you guys. Hopefully no hard feelings or whatnot.
Cya
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Night 3
So, Acrofales was walking along peacefully, when HiroPro called to him: "have you read the book?"
"err..."
"well, I need you to make the nightpost"
"err..."
HiroPro got really angry, because his cohost hadn't read this literary masterpiece, pulled out his gun and started aiming. Acro, as always nimble on his feet, quickly skipped behind goodkarma, who happened to be passing by.
Not that it mattered, his gun had a system crash and needed some custom firmware written. However, Acro's sudden movements woke up a pack of wild bears that tore goodkarma to shreds.
goodkarma as Gus & Wes was lynched!
Their names were Gus and Wes and they had succeeded in elevating medicine to an exact science. All men reporting on sick call with temperatures above 102 were rushed to the hospital. All those except Yossarian reporting on sick calll with temperatures below 102 had their games and toes painted with gentian violet solution and were given a laxative to throw away into the bushes. All those reporting on a sick call with temeperatures of exactly 102 were asked to return in an hour to have their temperatures taken again. Yossarian, with his temperature of 101, could go to the hospital whenever he wanted to because he was not afraid of them.
You are Gus & Wes, the doctor's assistants. Each night, you may visit another player, paint their gums and toes purple, and send them to the hospital (protecting them from a single night hit and roleblocking them). You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler [vote count] +Vote Count Oatsmaster (2): cDgCorazon, slOosh, goodkarma, Coagulation, slOosh, Anonymous goodkarma (6): slOosh, Oatsmaster, slOosh, Coagulation, ObviousOne, Adam4167, goodkarma
Night 3 will end at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in . Actions must be submitted an hour before then at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
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Hokay. Oats & Adam? What next?
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If you want 24 hour days, send me a PM. Please be sure to send actions to Acrofales also.
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On June 29 2013 10:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Idiots.
What the fuck is your problem, seriously?
You gave the town two options, bow down to your bullshit or convince coag to switch.
We succeeded in the latter and now you're throwing a hissy fit over it AFTER WE LYNCHED ONE OF THE TWO PEOPLE YOU HAD MARKED AS PROBABLE SCUM.
Grow up.
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My problem is that I've had my scumread on Oats since an hour into the game, and you guys refuse to lynch him over and over and over again!
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Your reads have to be fluid and change in light of what is going on!
Deciding reads on D1 and then lynching into them regardless of any new developments in the thread is just stubborn and shortsighted. It relies entirely on your early game being so exceptional that you can bust the entire scum team from a single flip. I can count the number of times I've seen that happen on one hand and I've been here a damn long time! We've done this exact dance before in Duel, except this time its Oats instead of Sylencia.
Back on point: what the fuck is OO doing. Again I call him useless and he doesn't even respond, he comes in, drops his vote on GK and then bails out - completely avoiding contribution. He still hasn't delivered anything resembling a read that I asked him for.
On June 27 2013 02:36 ObviousOne wrote:
Oats, Sloosh, and Adam are all the furthest from town on the spectrum so I will probably have to take a look at each of them again. Oats I've written off as town based mostly on his town meta, Sloosh I originally gave a town read for because I could see exactly where he was coming from regarding my slot among other things, Adam had a super strong start outside of his vote but I don't hold the vote against him as it was made in haste so I need to do a comb-over for his content. Somewhere in here that has to be a motive for blocking Cora.
There you go, that's where I'm headed.
His last post of any substance he says that Oats, Sloosh and Me are all the furthest from town on the spectrum, yet we never hear back about why sloosh is not so town anymore, nor does he comment on me. He throws out some random post on Oats and Cora from D1 and then he jumps on a GK vote.
So OO, time to step up. You are just plodding along with thread sentiment this game and doing absolutely nothing constructive. Your egregious lack of scum hunting and general effort this game has run its course. Put your apparent confirmed status to work, get in here and make a case on all 3 of those players you consider the furthest from town.
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Okay Adam, challenge accepted. I choose you first since you asked so nicely.
Day 1: Votes for GK over DP given the time he had having replaced in. Forgivable on its own.
Night 1: Rayn versus Adam distancing
+ Show Spoiler [Distancing] +On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools. We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow. Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order). On June 23 2013 15:04 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 14:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools. We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. So presumably you find each person scummy to some degree. Can you elaborate your thoughts on each? I'm most interested in your thoughts on Rayn. I actually like Rayns interest on D1, he seems to be trying to figure people out and push along his agenda. What I don't get is his push on you, and part of that being that you weren't on the DP vote. He says its not a factor, yet he brings it up twice. Now I understand hes been drinking tonight, so I want him to come along tomorrow and make some more sense. Basically his reads stand at odds with my own and id like a better insight. GK and ShiaoPi tunneling each other is interesting. ShiaoPi just went AWOL instead of trying to push his scum read and GK did much the same after they had both voted each other. I want to see if they continue pushing each other and how they go about doing that. Oats has been thoroughly useless, as discussed. I hope that he decides playing like an imbecile is boring soon and actually puts forward a decent case against you so I can get an idea of what he is actually thinking. I am reacting strongly towards oats on this because he had a box seat to Smurf Mafia being a co-host of that game. He clearly saw what kind of an effect a player like Kush can have on the town, yet hes choosing to mimic that here. What i'm starting to think is that he saw a towns reluctance to lynch an objectively scummy looking player and decided to replicate that here to his benefit. On June 24 2013 07:54 Adam4167 wrote:Rayn, the reason you cant tell who I suspect to be scum is because I don't know that myself. Ill walk you through my current thought process. As per this post: Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools. We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow. Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order). I don't consider anyone on the DP wagon to be a viable lynch for tomorrow, so I strike them off my list. I then take out the people I feel are town who were on the GK wagon - Cora, Hapa, Marv. This leaves me with 4 names: Yourself, ShiaoPi, GK and Oats. I liked your hustle on D1, so I feel most confident that you're town out of this bunch, so you come off. Oats is being a right shit, but most people seem to think hes town for it, so I move him to the maybe category. This leaves me with either GK or ShiaoPi. I doubt they're both scum together due to their actions on D1, so unless we're dealing with a 3 man scum team of DP, Oats and one of these two, I've already messed up somewhere in my logic. This leads me to conclude that either my town reads on the GK wagon are wrong, or that the scum are on the DP wagon and bussed him yesterday. I sincerely do not think the scum team bussed yesterday, for that they threw away an exceptional scum player with probably the best role to suit his play style. So I take a look at the 3 people I called town on the GK wagon with me... and all I see is town. I cant manufacture scum reads that I don't have. So this is where i'm at. I hope to have a better understanding of what actually happened D1 after the KP starts flying around the place. Where to tomorrow? Resolving the GK and ShiaoPi situation looks as good a place to start. I don't get a strong scum read off either of them by examining either of their filters. I don't find the cases that either of them put forward yesterday to be all that compelling either. Hence my comment on seeing what they did and how they did it. On June 24 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a terrible hangover so i am not going to try to have more of a headache today by rereading.
I am still suspicious of Hapa. I don't think anyone who voted for DP is scum unless GK is scum too, but i find it kinda hard to believe there would be only 2 scum wagons at the end of the day. That does not just sit well with me, especially considering my scumreads are not lurkers. I still think Oats is town for what i have said and i don't like how Hapa was (and apparently is?) unable to understand my read on him. I have no idea why he thought Oats was mafia last night.
I need to relook into Cora, as his reads were pretty shitty in my opinion when he last gave them. I also have suspicions towards Adam. I have no idea who he thinks is scum and that's really worrisome. On June 23 2013 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 13:00 Adam4167 wrote:Then why say this: On June 23 2013 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I asked you why you were dropping off your suspicions on your MOST SCUMREAD, GK. That is fucking relevant as we just know DP flipped scum and you did not vote for him. Obviously you are full of shit.
kthxbye. What point are you trying to make with the underlined if not that Hapa wasnt on the DP wagon? You underlined it, i did not. I was saying Hapa was on GK wagon and i don't think he never pursued it as he would as town (see my original case). I am not as cheap to say "Hapa is scum because he was on the wrong wagon" as i do know that means nothing. Now, sleep.
Why is it distancing? Neither is outright calling the other mafia. Rayn, however, does leave us with a little bit of insight into this. Note the semi-defensive posture taken regarding lynching Adam during N1 - he's getting a feel for whether or not he will need to all-in defend Adam at some point:
On June 24 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa, let's talk about something else than D1 for a change. You said a lot about solving this game revolves around flipping GK, and if he flipped town you would then look into ShiaoPi and Adam. I can get the ShiaoPi part, but why Adam? And do you actually think GK is mafia or what were you trying to say there? That we should lynch him to have more information on ShiaoPi/Adam? That doesn't really sound like a reason to lynch someone.
Making excuses for himself regarding having reads this game, probably in response to heckling from the peanut gallery (Oats, in this case):
On June 24 2013 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 18:57 Adam4167 wrote:On June 24 2013 18:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
You played in Duel mini mafia, I am getting TOTALLY different vibes from that game.
I replaced into this game with 50+ pages to read in 40 minutes, made what looks like a bad vote and am feeling frigging lost Oats, put yourself in my place for a minute. how long has it been since then?
On June 24 2013 19:10 Adam4167 wrote:
around 36 hours.
I do not get the same feel reading a game that I wasn't in than when I do playing in one. It clouds my reads. My obs reads are notoriously shit as a result. Trying to form legitimate scum reads was difficult this game, made especially difficult by the caliber of the players that rolled scum. So I focused on what I could do, find town reads, be as open and clear with my thought process as I could. I have been extremely upfront with the fact that my scum reads were lacking this game.
On June 24 2013 19:16 Adam4167 wrote:
What you're feeling as 'different' from duel mafia is simple - confidence.
The second Dieno stepped into the thread in Duel, I had him bagged, Kierathi soon after. I was confident almost to a fault, I led a crusade against two reasonably townie looking players because I was running on such a high from dragging down two scum. No one was anywhere near that obvious this game, at least not to me.
He cites confidence. As in confidence that people are scum. If he's the final scum, he would not be able to have any such confidence about players. Look at his more recent reads from the past day or so:
1 Paraphrased = Oats is town. Oats is probably town. Oats town. Think Oats is town.
- This is an exceptional turnaround from his super willingness to lynch Oats earlier in the game for not liking his playstyle. Adam admits as much in his filter.
2 Paraphrased = Looking for any possible reason to justify lynching GK.
- Ends up being from Rayn's filter, namely a lack of Rayn calling GK scum despite all of the suspicion towards GK.
I'm still not seeing a lot of confidence outside of the safest call in the world that Oats is town.
Quote-less version and my interpretation:
- Soft attempt at steering the DP lynch towards GK
- Established distance between both Rayn and Adam
- Rayn fishing for Hapa's reasons why Adam would be scum
- Lack of confidence in most of his reads
- Declaration that Oats is town
So Adam ridiculed the concept that people thought he could be mafia originally based on what was first spotted by others as what looked like distancing before Rayn died N1. My counter-point is that the distancing would have to be gentle and long term, especially after losing their GF D1, as a means to prevent any flip associations when playing from behind already. Their suspicions of each other aren't really convincing, but they are early "suspicions". Yelling at people to change their votes to GK would draw more attention to himself. The best Adam could do in this case was to hope.
Hapa and Rayn's interactions during N1 lead me to believe that Rayn was fishing for information from Hapa as to why Hapa thought Adam was scum. Hapa states that his suspicion on Adam is minor and Rayn doesn't pursue it further -- his teammate is no longer in jeopardy.
Adam has a self-professed lack of confidence in his reads, and from a perusal of his filter I feel I can agree. The most interesting development is his change of heart regarding Oats, and this is where I believe he has cemented his downfall -- Oats may be his key to winning this game. Who are the Oats detractors? Cora. Coag. Securing another mislynch by not killing those two CLAIMED POWER ROLES thus leaving them stuck with their stagnating read of Oats and then later leaving himself the opportunity to use their tunnels on Oats as evidence against them. He is just realizing this NOW and is preparing for one of those pushes next.
Then why kill Hapa last night? Kill the town voice of reason, the most trustable person we had left who we could depend on for a well-considered view of the game and who led or shaped most of the fruitful conversations we've had. To create a void into which he could fit himself, which it seems he is trying to do right now.
+ Show Spoiler [side note] +Going to be gone most of tomorrow afternoon/evening for a bday party.
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That's about the most bias analysis I've ever seen.
Its filled with complete conjecture and speculation. The only concrete thing you have in there is that I had no confidence in my reads, which is something I freely admitted. That does not make me scum in any way, shape or form.
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And if you truly believed a word of that, why have you just been sitting on it while I steer the thread?
Why does this case on me only appear after I badger you for half a cycle to produce something.
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On June 29 2013 16:44 Adam4167 wrote:
And if you truly believed a word of that, why have you just been sitting on it while I steer the thread?
Why does this case on me only appear after I badger you for half a cycle to produce something.
What means this? You asked me why I hadn't responded to your thing from ages ago, I presume you meant the "where I am going with this" thing? This is in response to that.
Whether or not you like the timing or subject matter of it is really of no consequence to me. If you're not mafia, and you're asking me who is mafia, and I tell you it's probably you, you don't get up in my face about how it's timely or delayed or whatever or you asked for that shit twelve days ago. That's a scummy counter.
Is it biased? Probably.
Does it fit the form of the game state? I believe so or I wouldn't have posted it.
Are you actually scum? I'll tell you after I review Sloosh when I get back.
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It is not a scummy counter at all.
I've had to provoke you into actually scum hunting, and then when you finally come to the party, you deliver a very biased and speculative case full of 'what ifs' on the person provoking you. My reaction is completely justified.
I look forward to seeing what you have to say on Sloosh and Oats.
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Adam you are more certain that OO pushed the main wagon on DP D1, and DP tried to lynch OO D1 than your townread on Oats, am I reading that right?
Because that's nonsense and I haven't seen you actually address it head on.
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In anycase I think we should be lynching Oats tomorrow.
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Actually I haven't fully considered the Adam scum Oats town scenario.
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